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#1 Savile Row

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Posted 20 January 2016 - 09:57 AM

What are the

Long Term Implications of the Charlestown Water Crisis?

#2 CityBoy

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Posted 20 January 2016 - 10:07 AM

  1. Reduced value of homes that receive Charlestown water.  This will have an adverse impact on homeowners who wish to sell, and realtors representing those homeowners.
  2. A disincentive to prospective new businesses, especially restaurants.  They cannot use the city water unless they install expensive filtering systems.
  3. Continual buildup of manganese in the pipes.  If either the state or federal government's environmental protection agency reduces the allowable content of manganese, the city will face a staggering cost to comply.
  4. Added cost, through inflation, of eventually addressing the problem.

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Posted 20 January 2016 - 10:08 AM

Breakfast Club Water Analysis

The water problems in Charlestown are legendary.

The claim is that the water looks bad but is not really all THAT BAD for you.

 

The current additional water difficulties in Charlestown, the long term

problems with water customers not paying in Detroit, the new Flint, Michigan

dangerous water system disaster,  the coming growth in Clark County,

all are helping fuel a discussion about the urgent need

for the various governmental entities

 to work to solve the problems.


Edited by Savile Row, 20 January 2016 - 10:10 AM.


#4 Savile Row

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Posted 20 January 2016 - 10:21 AM

Breakfast Club Clean Water

What is the estimated capital improvement cost

to provide a satisfactory long term solution

to the water quality problems

in Charlestown?

Where will the funds come from?

What is the process to FINALLY

provide the clean and safe

water that Charlestown

deserves?

 

It seems that water quality

should be the primary, immediate

 concern of the Charlestown elected officials at this time.

 

It seems that there should be a new, coordinated effort

among the governmental entities.

 

The children attending the GCCS are obviously impacted.

The entire population is impacted.

Economic growth and prosperity is impacted.

 

CityBoy is right!


Edited by Savile Row, 20 January 2016 - 10:41 AM.


#5 CityBoy

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Posted 20 January 2016 - 10:22 AM

The water problems in Charlestown are legendary.

 

This is probably hard to understand if you don't live in Charlestown.  It is essentially a Bob Hall problem.  Upon his election to the 2008-2011 term, he refused to accept $1,000,000 in state and federal money that had already been awarded the city for construction of a filter plant.  He is spending hundreds of thousands of dollars by adding a chemical to the water that does nothing to solve the real problem.  

 

Our bathtubs and toilet bowls and tanks are grey or black; our white clothes are a dingy grey after a few washings.  In spite of this, he has convinced his hard-core followers that he solved the water problem.

 

How does Hall get by with this?  Two factors: (1) With one exception, all the subdivisions in the west end of the city do not receive Charlestown water; and (2) residents of those subdivisions are solid Republican voters.


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Posted 20 January 2016 - 10:40 AM

Breaking News!
Breakfast Club Water Discussion Task Force Concept
 
 CityBoy's idea extended!
There was a discussion at the Breakfast Club
that a Task Force to begin work on the Charlestown water quality
problem should be formed ASAP.
 

The ever alert BC observed that City Boy posted

an idea on another thread, but that is actually

quite applicable to this problem:

 

"It's gonna require a committee, maybe even a task force.

Perhaps Tom Galligan, John Perkins and Dan Moore are available for this public-service project."

 

Wow!

:mc-smiley:

 

The initial members of the Charlestown Water Quality Task Force

would well be served by adding Tom Galligan, John Perkins, and Dan Moore!

 

Savile Row nominates

the following members to ensure

a Fair and Balanced

 participation effort.

SR  can envision the task force:

CityBoy ( as chair)

Mayor Bob Hall

Several Charlestown  citizens

Dan Moore

John Perkins

Tom Galligan (as vice chair)

Jamey Noel

Rick Stephenson

Zack Payne

Susan Popp

A rep from River Ridge

A rep from the Port  of Indiana-Jeffersonville

A rep from the GCCS

A rep from the county council.

Tina.

IM.

A local state rep and state senator.

A union rep

A business organization rep like the chamber of commerce

A university person from IUS, Ball  State,  or Purdue

 

 

 

Local engineering firms can be asked to help prepare a plan.

 

 

The task force would be a nice starting point.

The goal should be to get the first preliminary informal

meeting by around February  15, 2016.

Git 'er done.....

 

 

It is time to act and this a good starting point

to begin solving this serious Clark County problem.

 

:popcorn:


Edited by Savile Row, 20 January 2016 - 11:23 AM.


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Posted 20 January 2016 - 10:56 AM

  • Reduced value of homes that receive Charlestown water. This will have an adverse impact on homeowners who wish to sell, and realtors representing those homeowners.
  • A disincentive to prospective new businesses, especially restaurants. They cannot use the city water unless they install expensive filtering systems.
  • Continual buildup of manganese in the pipes. If either the state or federal government's environmental protection agency reduces the allowable content of manganese, the city will face a staggering cost to comply.
  • Added cost, through inflation, of eventually addressing the problem.

Is Pleasant Ridge within the area that experiences dirty water?

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Posted 20 January 2016 - 10:58 AM

Yes.



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Posted 20 January 2016 - 11:03 AM

Smh.

Yeah, good luck redeveloping that!

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Posted 20 January 2016 - 11:14 AM

It will work.

There needs to be

enough  people concerned

with the serious water quality problem to take leadership

and get it accomplished.

 

 

If the persons initially nominated

for the Charlestown  Water Quality Task Force

are involved and then others,

it will get done.


Edited by Savile Row, 20 January 2016 - 11:20 AM.


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Posted 20 January 2016 - 08:20 PM

I've seen Charlestowns water and would never have drank it. Reminds me of what is happening in Fint Michigan . Nobody in America should have brown water coming out of the tap! Flints govt powers told their people it was safe. People of Charlestown deserve better.
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Posted 21 January 2016 - 03:43 PM

Bob Hall has always told the people of Charlestown that the water is safe, yet if you go to a city Council meeting you will find that he and the other Council Members are all drinking bottled water, Charlestown residents who have Watson Water could care less what the water looks like in Charlestown,they must have the same thought process that Councilman Ted Little has when he at the last Council meeting referred to the people in Pleasant Ridge as "Those People"  Bob Hall has said that the water is safe, and like the scenario in Pleasant Ridge,Bob's blind followers on the City Council will follow him no matter what ! I pray that no-one in Charlestown gets sick or dies, in order for the Council to open their eyes!


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#13 Russell Brooksbank

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Posted 23 January 2016 - 12:33 PM

Solution: Quit relying on the government to fix problems. Buy your water from elsewhere, or better yet invest in a home filtration system.

Edited by Russell Brooksbank, 23 January 2016 - 12:35 PM.

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Posted 23 January 2016 - 12:45 PM

Solution: Quit relying on the government to fix problems. Buy your water from elsewhere, or better yet invest in a home filtration system.

 

This doesn't even warrant a response.



#15 Russell Brooksbank

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Posted 23 January 2016 - 12:53 PM

This doesn't even warrant a response.

Why? You're complaining about how the government screwed things up. So why not take the government out of the equation? If your neighborhood restaurant continually served crappy food would you continue to eat there?

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Posted 23 January 2016 - 01:00 PM

Maybe I'm missing it . Is there a choice on which water company's to use? Same for electric and gas. Do you get a choice?

#17 Russell Brooksbank

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Posted 23 January 2016 - 01:33 PM

Here's a solution: http://www.cliftonwater.com/. There are people who have their water brought to them or who use a well. What do you think the Charlestown water company would do if folks stopped buying their water? My point is that this has been caused by the government allowing a monopoly over the water system. Government caused this problem and maybe we should look to solutions outside of government to fix it.



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Posted 23 January 2016 - 05:40 PM

Mr. Brooksbank, not everyone can afford to have water brought to them or dig their own well, I think a person's social or economic position should have nothing to do with them receiving safe, clean, drinking water. The majority of people in Charlestown have no choice and even if they did it still remains the responsibility of the water company. The real issue is that Bob Hall had the resources in place to filter our water,but choose to return the grant money that the Mayor (Mike Hall) previous to him,had in place. If Charlestown has water problems(which it does) the responsibility lies firmly on the heads of Bob Hall and his supporters!


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#19 Russell Brooksbank

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Posted 23 January 2016 - 05:58 PM

OP, I understand what you are saying. My point, and you are proving it for me, is that government caused this situation. My suggestion is to quit looking to government. The problem is that there are no other options, and that is the fault of government. If there was competition then which water company would be getting your business? If I owned a water truck and offered to deliver clean water to you at the same cost that you are paying now would you buy from me?



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Posted 23 January 2016 - 05:59 PM

And yes, I am 100% in favor of making certain that taxpayer dollars are spent on essential services first. We can worry about buying people's homes to give the land to our developer buddies later.






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