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#21 TomD

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Posted 11 January 2016 - 06:44 AM

Veterans Parkway isn't a four lane road with access to the highway?

 

Russell, why are you trying to insert facts into a revisionist history tale? :shrug:


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#22 Sleepy

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Posted 12 January 2016 - 03:43 PM

Russell have you not learned....Only TomD s facts are the right facts.



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Posted 13 January 2016 - 02:56 PM

Breakfast Club Economic 'Infill Projects' Discussion

Would

it be a prudent,

expeditious, and intelligent

process for the current  town council

to analyze the Three Step Plan?   It is

a good idea to at least enter into a thorough

discussion of the potential ability of the town council

members to implement the plan.   The original proposal

should still be on file in the town's Redevelopment Commission

and planning offices. Information about the plan was made public in the media.

Those can be located.   The  town council members may be thinking of a discussion

of part of the original  proposal already,  so a  detailed analysis  might be a sound  idea.

 

 

:popcorn:


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#24 Russell Brooksbank

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Posted 14 January 2016 - 11:37 AM

Russell have you not learned....Only TomD s facts are the right facts.

The facts I trust are the ones I see for myself.
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#25 Savile Row

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Posted 14 January 2016 - 12:36 PM

Russell posted: "The facts I trust are the ones I see for myself."
                            "Looks like our town council is going

                             to look into selling the "great lawn"

                             on Veterans Pkwy."
                            "To be clear, they are not discussing the sale of the entire campus."

 

The idea
about seeing things for yourself is very smart!

Someone could go down to the town hall

and get a copy of the original plan

to read.

 
 
Since the new town council is allegedly

already exploring the options of selling the town owned

vacant parcels along Veteran's Parkway to use the money

for other good things and get productive businesses on the site

to create jobs and taxes,
reading the entire original proposal might be a good move.
The town council members that you guys
discuss things with would appreciate
the interest.


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#26 Savile Row

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Posted 14 January 2016 - 12:59 PM

Russell?

TomD?

Sleepy?

McSleepy?

 

 

:whistle:


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#27 Russell Brooksbank

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Posted 14 January 2016 - 01:15 PM

Russell?
TomD?
Sleepy?
McSleepy?


:whistle:

what?

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Posted 14 January 2016 - 01:21 PM

You may also

still be able to get from the town hall

the photo overviews of the sites included in the original proposals as well!


Edited by Savile Row, 14 January 2016 - 01:24 PM.


#29 TomD

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Posted 14 January 2016 - 01:23 PM

 

Someone could go down to the town hall

and get a copy of the original plan

to read.

 

 

Dude, the town hall is open 5 days a week.  If such a plan exists, why don't you go to the town hall and get it yourself so you can enlighten us about the details?  BTW, don't take yer gun...it's not allowed.


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#30 Savile Row

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Posted 14 January 2016 - 03:12 PM

Bro TomD posted:
"Dude, the town hall is open 5 days a week. If such a plan exists,

why don't you go to the town hall and get it yourself so you can enlighten us

about the details? BTW, don't take yer gun...it's not allowed."
 
Ok, it is good that TomD still has his sense of humor!

SR will have to leave his dern shootin' irons in the

"one heavily armed RV"!

 
:yes:
 
Breakfast Club Eternal Economic Watch
 
"Revisionist History Report ?"
Naw.
 
Instead,

it is the "Visionary History Report"!
2005

 

 

Ready? OK, way cool enlightenment:
 
Clarksville officials won’t rule out Town Hall sale
Monday, December 5, 2005
By LARRY THOMAS
Clarksville officials

may soon face an interesting question:

 

"Is the 22 acres on which the Town Hall sits too valuable to use as government property?"

A little more than a decade ago, the town purchased the property for $18,500 an acre. Commercial property developers are now snatching up sites with frontage to Veterans Parkway for $800,000 an acre. In the foreseeable future, town officials might be asked to consider abandoning the Town Hall in favor of less expensive real estate.

Town Council President John Minta said Clarksville is unlikely to post a for sale sign in front of the Town Hall, but might listen to credible offers.

“Do you speculate with taxpayers’ money? My answer is no,” Minta said. “If somebody would want to come in and make such an offer, I’ll sit down with them.”

Minta also pointed out that such a deal would be complicated because Town Hall would either have to delay its move until a new facility was built or lease a temporary location while awaiting a new structure.

Jeffersonville real estate broker Charles Reisert admits he is a little surprised by how expensive land along Veterans Parkway has become. If the town’s land was privately-owned, it might easily be turned over to a developer who would add to the commercial explosion along the road.

“In the marketplace, that happens all the time,” he said. “You don’t see that happen with governmental use very often.”

Clarksville Redevelopment Director Rick Dickman

said he’s heard rumors in the community that

the town might sell the Town Hall,

build a new facility on a less expensive site and use the “profit”

from the move to fund development projects elsewhere in the town.

 

It is conceivable, some observers say, the town might have as much as $10 million to apply toward various projects following such a relocation.

The only problem with the idea, he said, is that it hasn’t been town officials doing the talking.

“All I can say is it’s a juicy rumor, and it’s just that,” Dickman said. “But it’s intriguing.”

If the Clarksville Town Council ever decided to move Town Hall, one relocation option could include the Peddlers Mall at 900 Eastern Blvd.

Observers say the town might be able to put together 17 acres there, including slightly more than 11 owned by Lori LaCroix of Florida. Such a move might help revitalize Eastern Boulevard while opening up hot property on Veterans Parkway for development that could broaden the town’s property tax base and might even slightly decrease property tax rates.

The Eastern Boulevard property has been in LaCroix’s family for about 40 years. She said she is not actively marketing the land, but added, “Everything’s for sale at the right price. My first goal, as an owner, is to develop that in the best interest of the town and its residents.”
http://www.newsandtr...8d5b5a59eb.html


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#31 Russell Brooksbank

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Posted 14 January 2016 - 03:17 PM

Personally, I like the town hall where it's at and I would like to see something like a park like setting on the grassy area off Veterans.
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Posted 14 January 2016 - 05:50 PM

Hey SR, thanks for the newspaper article...full of speculation, rumor, what-ifs, and hypotheticals.

 

Now, how about providing us with the 'plan' that you have posted about several times?  Thanks!

 

Just where is this 'plan' or 'proposal' you have mentioned?  Redevelopment office?  Planning and zoning office?


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#33 Savile Row

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Posted 14 January 2016 - 11:06 PM

You have to be kidding.



#34 Savile Row

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Posted 14 January 2016 - 11:18 PM

The plan did not go forth in 2005.

It has been around for 10 years.

 

 

A.)Some now think  that the sale of the vacant ground

in order to help create jobs and taxes is a good step.

 

B.) Some think that leaving the status quo in place is the best way to go.

 

C.) Some think that selling the government buildings and ground

and building private businesses there

combined with the new town hall location

and the revitalization of the Eastern Blvd. area is the best idea.

The additional funds would go into new capital projects and the new park.

 

The idea has been around since 2005.

The new town council has possibly looked at step one.

It might  be prudent to simply discuss, study, and analyze the three

potential paths.

 

It is not a matter of saying that the plan does not exist.

It has been fully explained. It cannot hurt to discuss it and see what additional ideas develop.

 

It is not beneficial to attack the messenger.

A discussion of the entire plan by the new town council would be wise.

They have already been thinking about step one.


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#35 Savile Row

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Posted 14 January 2016 - 11:21 PM

Breakfast Club Economic 'Infill Projects' Discussion
Once again, from post # 23:

Would
it be a prudent,
expeditious, and intelligent
process for the current town council
to analyze the Three Step Plan? It is
a good idea to at least enter into a thorough
discussion of the potential ability of the town council
members to implement the plan. The original proposal
should still be on file in the town's Redevelopment Commission
and planning offices. Information about the plan was made public in the media.
Those can be located. The town council members may be thinking of a discussion
of PART of the original proposal already, so a detailed analysis might be a sound idea
.
 
I would also think that Sharon Wilson and Richard Dickman could provide  information
to the current town council if necessary.
In 2005 the plan was discussed. It had drawings and specifics,
and there were aerial photos. There was , of course,

 "speculation, rumor, what-ifs,

and hypotheticals" out there even then.
That is the point of a new discussion.

Some details will have to be changed and the concept

will of course be subject to updates

and modifications.
It is a concept.
It is just for discussion.

There is no need to be angry about it.


Edited by Savile Row, 14 January 2016 - 11:52 PM.


#36 TomD

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Posted 15 January 2016 - 07:39 AM

I'm curious to see the original 'plan' or 'proposal' or whatever it's called...or at least have someone get it from the town and report here on their findings.  The original drawings, proposals, and aerial photos would be a good starting point for any future plans...and might possibly add to any current discussions about how, or if, to move forward. 

 

So, where are the original drawings, proposals, and aerial photos referenced in earlier posts?     


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Posted 15 January 2016 - 08:17 AM

Breakfast Club Green Roof Analysis

TomD asked: "So, where are the original drawings, proposals, and aerial photos referenced in earlier posts?"
 
The short  answer in 2015 is :"Who knows?"  

It was 10 years ago. Maybe Richard Dickman, Sharon Wilson, or the new Redev Com person

have retained part  of the old material.

 

One thing that was somewhat controversial, innovative,

ahead of its time, or laughable, as there were differences of opinion,

was the idea depicted with the new town hall

being  very  energy efficient and maybe even "too green".

 

The renderings depicted it as having a "green roof"!

 Lots of plants growing on the roof as an "energy green thingy" concept.

I remember that the  roof would have to have been reinforced to hold the plants, dirt, etc.,

and have to be maintained, etc.

 

The Canadian geese visitors ,

however, were in favor of the idea

as it was another place to grab a bite of lunch and poop-a-lot!

 

(Any new buildings would not have to have that feature. It was just a concept.)

 

:waving:


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Posted 15 January 2016 - 08:53 AM

Breakfast Club Economic Vitality/New Green Space/New town Government Center Discussion
Remember, there is no need to be nasty and mean to a messenger.
It is just a discussion.
 
The original plan was an initial concept for discussion.
There is a report that the  new  town council
may be examining an idea
of selling the vacant land on the high traffic Veteran's Parkway.
 
 
The "concept" today is the same as the vision in 2005.
It does not harm anyone and is intelligent to discuss the ideas.
There would be changes with a new plan of course, but there is no harm in elected officials
being proactive or actually innovative and simply discussing  the potential projects.
The hatefulness is not productive. Being smart is more productive.
 
 
The concept of a potent plan and discussion could have three major potential outcomes:
 
I.) The current town council decides that they will make no changes
    and the status quo remains.,
 
II.) The undeveloped parcels at the high traffic Veteran's Parkway
    location are  sold and the new businesses generate jobs, investment, and lots of various taxes.
    The town government buildings there remain where they are for now.,
 
III.) The undeveloped parcels at the high traffic Veteran's Parkway
     location are sold and the new businesses generate jobs, investment, and lots of various taxes.
     A new town government center is built on Eastern Blvd.
    The long vacant buildings and area are further upgraded.
     A new large "multiple use park" in a much better location is created for families to utilize.
     Three innovative "Urban Infill Projects" are fulfilled by the town council
     from the funds generated to increase the quality of life and benefit the citizens.
 
In all three potential scenarios  
the memorial, etc., and the water run off ponding features
remain at the Northwest corner.
 
There is no reason to be hateful. The general concept is the same as in 2005.
The new complete and detailed plan would
entail a new analysis and just
an  intelligent discussion
.
The town council would make the decisions.

Why not talk about it?


Edited by Savile Row, 15 January 2016 - 09:18 AM.


#39 Russell Brooksbank

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Posted 18 January 2016 - 05:08 PM

SR, I agree with you in that there is no need to be hateful. Is it not the purpose of forums such as this one to come together and have a discussion? I started this thread to facilitate conversation. Maybe, together, we could all come up with a plan that suits all our needs. If a person can't do so in a civil manner, I would rather they go sit at the kids forum and let the adults talk about the grown up things.



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Posted 18 January 2016 - 07:27 PM

SR, Thank you for sharing that newspaper article. It did take me back to the days when a visionary sat at the top of the town council. Clarksville was lucky to have a smart town council leader who was retired and had the time, vision and intellect to bring things like the Falls of the Ohio and Veterans Parkway to life. I read this thread wondering if Veterans Parkway and many other great things would have ever come to fruition in Clarksville without the vision and work of John H. Minta.




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