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#1 Russell Brooksbank

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Posted 08 January 2016 - 12:31 PM

Looks like our town council is going to look into selling the "great lawn" on Veterans Pkwy. I attended the meetings where our master plan was discussed. There was good discussion about using that area as something like a park with benches and such, maybe even a historical walkway. What is everyone's opinion on this?

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Posted 08 January 2016 - 12:53 PM

What is the estimated market value of that property?
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Posted 08 January 2016 - 01:14 PM

Breakfast Club Economic Development  Discussion

The area

where the current town hall offices, town court,

police department, and a fire station, etc. are currently located,

was purchased long ago under the leadership of Richard E. Dickman

when he was president of the town council.

The land was purchased for something around  $17,000 an acre!

The subsequent development policies and sound growth have seen the per acre price move up very greatly.

 

The area is very high in traffic

which is good for community prosperity,

but emergency vehicles often have trouble negotiating

the traffic when leaving to make runs.

 

Mr. Dickman,

when he was the Redevelopment Director

for the Town of Clarksville, had a well designed proposal

to sell the ground and buildings for an astronomical price

and relocate the town government functions

to a new, more suitable

location. 

 

The current location had worked well,

the growth and prosperity policies had worked very well,

and the policies had created a huge increase in value of the land in the area,

established lots of jobs and income, and loads of various taxes.

 

The concept presented by Mr. Dickman

" hit all of the bases" and several major private developers

were interested in the ground and buildings.

 

The cost of the design, location, and construction

of the new town hall, etc., was very manageable.

The sale and move would be very beneficial

to the taxpayers.

 

Several million of town reserve funds would have been

generated for new capital projects. The new commercial

buildings and businesses would have generated many new jobs,

revenues for the various businesses,

and loads of new taxes.

 

The "green area ", veteran's  memorial, 

and drainage detention ponds,

in the Northwest corner

of the property  would have remained.

The geese would still be allowed to poop freely in the detention ponds!

 

The immediate area is not suited  for a large park  or open area

according to knowledgeable  planning experts.

It does not lend itself well to a park

or green usage for multiple

very sound evaluation

reasons

 

Another, far less expensive, more suitable site was also to be purchased

to be utilized for  multiple park, green, and recreational  usages. 

 

Some of the huge amounts of cash

that would have been generated from the sale

was earmarked for a new park/green/recreational benefit

at a much more appropriate site.

 

The "Highest and Best Use" of the current  town government location

is retail commercial sales, etc.

 

The supporting infrastructure is already in place

and the traffic count is very adequate.


Edited by Savile Row, 08 January 2016 - 01:54 PM.


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Posted 08 January 2016 - 01:51 PM

 

The "Highest and Best Use" of the location town government location

is retail commercial sales, etc.

 

The supporting infrastructure is already in place

and the traffic count is very adequate.

 

If I were king... I'd sell the whole deal to the highest bidder... 

 

Relocate current operations to a much more modest locale... 

 

I've never been a fan of Taj Mahal style facilities for government facilities. They should all function more like fiscally conservative privately held businesses... 


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Posted 08 January 2016 - 02:26 PM

Keep the green space...there are enough commercial properties and concrete along Veteran's Parkway now. There also seems to be plenty of other land available in the immediate area for any more growth.

 

Please keep the green space!


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Posted 08 January 2016 - 03:12 PM

might be a good use for all that empty space on Eastern Blvd. It seems a waste to use valuable retail space for Government buildings.


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Posted 08 January 2016 - 03:51 PM

Yep! Get rid of the empty, rotting peddlers mall, put all of the town offices there (like in the original plan when talk of selling the Veterans pkwy property first came about). Unfortunately, Clarksville citizens, well, the taxpaying ones, anyway, have recently been bilked into building the Taj Mahal of firehouses out there, so I guess we should get a few years use outta that scam, but anyhoo, sell that land and its structures to the highest bidder, run the geese over to Jeffersonville, and build a reasonable local government center!

 

I should make it clear that I have zero confidence in my plan happening, as local leaders always seem to feel the need to go to the extreme when planning and building new local government structures.....kinda like when everybody first started complaining about healthcare costs, and clark memorial remodeled and put in that awesome marble waterfall thing in their lobby.....

 

God forbid they ever decide to replace the south end firehouse on Stansifer, they'd probably claim eminent domain and take the hotel, liquor store, and derby dinner.


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Posted 08 January 2016 - 03:55 PM

Keep the green space...there are enough commercial properties and concrete along Veteran's Parkway now. There also seems to be plenty of other land available in the immediate area for any more growth.

 

Please keep the green space!

I agree with the sentiment granny, but we could use the money from the sale of that prime land to purchase and improve land by the river, and make an even better green space.



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Posted 08 January 2016 - 03:57 PM

, run the geese over to Jeffersonville,

Only if they are served with taters and gravy.


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Posted 08 January 2016 - 04:01 PM

Only if they are served with taters and gravy.

Never had it, but have always eyed the local goose population and thought "I bet they are tasty".



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Posted 08 January 2016 - 04:33 PM

Goldwater Girl posted:
..."might be a good use for all that empty space on Eastern Blvd. It seems a waste to use valuable retail space for Government buildings."


littletommy posted:
"Yep! Get rid of the empty, rotting peddlers mall, put all of the town offices there (like in the original plan when talk of selling the Veterans pkwy property first came about)."
 
 
The vacant space

and vacant/unused  buildings on Eastern Blvd,
the old Peddler's Mall and Value City, were to be the general location

of  the new town hall and attendant complex if the great idea for selling
the pricey Veteran's  Parkway location,
had seen a follow through
with the proposal.
Both selling the current land and buildings

for a new commercial use and building at the new site,

would have been intelligent Urban Infill projects and a wise decision.
 
The third step of the sound plan
was for the new, much larger  green space, park,
and multiple recreational use location would have been
a very nice bonus  in a much better location. That new park location

is not getting much usage and is just raising mosquitoes. It is not being divulged

for obvious reasons.

 

Clark's Landing in the old Colgate area
was also part of the overall plan
as well.
 
New Town Council Ready to Act?
Let's hope
that the new town council
will take an intelligent, unbiased look at the original plan and get it accomplished.
I  think that Sharon Wilson has been involved in the planning,
is highly competent and very  knowledgeable,
and can hit the ground running
with this three step plan.


Edited by Savile Row, 08 January 2016 - 05:31 PM.


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Posted 08 January 2016 - 05:39 PM

The geese

get to keep pooping

at the current water features

and their cousins will get to enjoy

yet more pooping at the new, very expanded park locations's water features!

 

:whistle: :thumbsup:


Edited by Savile Row, 08 January 2016 - 05:42 PM.


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Posted 08 January 2016 - 07:53 PM

I kind of like the greenspace. It allows for events that need lots of space, like I remember when they brought the Vietnam War Memorial wall there.  Besides, how many more RiteAids and Walgreen's do we really need?  And people DO use government buildings for various things. Why shouldn't they be nice? It's already built... We should use it.


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Posted 10 January 2016 - 11:49 AM

Clarksville council holding special meeting Monday
Friday, January 8, 2016
By APRILE RICKERT
newsandtribune.com

CLARKSVILLE—
The Clarksville Town Council will hold
a special meeting at 7 p.m. Monday, Jan. 11,
in Council Chambers of the Clarksville Municipal Center,
2000 Broadway.
http://www.newsandtr...88c786a91c.html
 

 

Breakfast Club Discussion
What is the agenda?

Has one been posted?

Now that there is new leadership

will they implement the sale plan?

Will the new multiple use park location 

be announced?

Will the process for bids

for the sale of the current area

and the construction of the town

government's new digs be implemented?

 

:shifty:


Edited by Savile Row, 10 January 2016 - 12:27 PM.


#15 Russell Brooksbank

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Posted 10 January 2016 - 12:30 PM

To be clear, they are not discussing the sale of the entire campus.

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Posted 10 January 2016 - 12:48 PM

Russell Brooksbank posted:

"To be clear, they are not discussing the sale of the entire campus."

 

Breakfast Club 'Three Step Plan' Discussion

Only a partial loaf?

Hmmmm...

The Three Step Plan seems like a very sound idea.

It would be very beneficial to the taxpayers.

At least the Three Step Plan

is public again.

Is the current plan to just sell the vacant land?

Will the park plan be implemented?

The town hall, etc., digs

will remain at the current location

with the emergency vehicle response traffic problems?

 

Russell, you always have good information!

Tell us more!


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#17 Russell Brooksbank

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Posted 10 January 2016 - 01:07 PM

They are just discussing the sale of the area between Veterans and the Town Hall and Police Station. I kind of like that area for things like setting up the traveling Vietnam Wall memorial.
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#18 Russell Brooksbank

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Posted 10 January 2016 - 01:10 PM

The special meeting Monday is being called to discuss the town insurance from what I've been told.

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Posted 10 January 2016 - 01:20 PM

Breakfast Club 'Urban Infill' Discussion

Yes, special events

like the very nice traveling

war memorial would still be implemented

at the newly revitalized Eastern Blvd location

and the expanded new multiple use park location.

The Eastern Blvd proposed town hall general location already

has lots of room , a brand new contiguous 3 acre park use area,

plenty of parking, and is very easily accessed from a four lane road and the handy interstate.

 

It is very good that 'The Three Step Plan'

and its multiple sound benefits are being discussed again.


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#20 Russell Brooksbank

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Posted 10 January 2016 - 09:47 PM

Veterans Parkway isn't a four lane road with access to the highway?
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