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#21 Persona Non Grata

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Posted 05 January 2016 - 06:47 AM

It is plain you do not understand how land in other areas has been historically or is currently managed. To really understand it you would have to visit the areas as well as study the history and the current status. However a little time reading up on it would give enough knowledge to understand why it isn't as simple as you think it is.


Oh yes. I'm just an unwashed, uneducated, common working man without your vast depth of knowledge about how the world operates. But my post was just a quip directed towards someone's mention of a new civil war.

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#22 Persona Non Grata

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Posted 05 January 2016 - 06:54 AM

Meanwhile...

https://www.usaspend...wardID=40084141

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Posted 05 January 2016 - 08:03 AM

Okay, I am confused.

What does an award of 20K back in 2010 have to do with this?

 

Here is a pretty  good explanation of the backstory.

http://www.npr.org/s...ation-in-oregon


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#24 Persona Non Grata

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Posted 05 January 2016 - 08:19 AM

Okay, I am confused.

What does an award of 20K back in 2010 have to do with this?

 

It's just interesting to me that Ammon Bundy is all warm and fuzzy with the SBA when he needs a loan and can't get one anywhere else.


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#25 snowman

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Posted 05 January 2016 - 08:28 AM

Sounds like this Ammon Bundy dude is wrapping this occupation in with his mormon religion... Yee-hadist is an ever-so-more appropriate term.

 

http://www.opb.org/n...ty-wants-us-to/


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#26 Persona Non Grata

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Posted 05 January 2016 - 08:50 AM

It's also kind of amusing that, when they ran out of snacks, they put out the call for their supporters to send them some more via the UNITED STATES POSTAL SERVICE.

http://i100.independ...ies--ZJglh9sRjx

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#27 Citizen5

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Posted 05 January 2016 - 10:21 AM

Oh yes. I'm just an unwashed, uneducated, common working man without your vast depth of knowledge about how the world operates. But my post was just a quip directed towards someone's mention of a new civil war

 

I was actually addressing your by-line (If you want to be a cattle rancher, buy yourself some cattle and a ranch.)  I thought is was addressed directly to the issue being discussed.

 

I do not get on here much lately and thought that was part of your post, silly me.  However, as to to the uneducated part you can correct that as you wish, as for being unwashed come on by I've got a couple of showers and I'll loan you the use of one.  Most of us are common folks so it seems you fit right in.



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Posted 05 January 2016 - 10:44 AM

I was actually addressing your by-line


Actually you quoted my post in your response...

 

http://clarkcountych...ntrol/?p=170841

 

 

However, as to to the uneducated part you can correct that as you wish, as for being unwashed come on by I've got a couple of showers and I'll loan you the use of one. 

 
Well, instead of expending so much energy towards belittling MY knowledge of the subject, why not just share with us what you think we should know?


Edited by Persona Non Grata, 05 January 2016 - 10:52 AM.


#29 Citizen5

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Posted 05 January 2016 - 11:03 AM

Actually you quoted my post in your response...

 

http://clarkcountych...ntrol/?p=170841

 

 

 
Well, instead of expending so much energy towards belittling MY knowledge of the subject, why not just share with us what you think we should know?

Yes, I quoted your post, I thought I was quoting the by-line also for the reason explained, seems I wasn't.

 

One of the problems with this type of forum exchanges is there is no interaction other than the strict written word, inflections etc are not  available.  My intent was not to belittle.  

 

I have shared what I thought you should know, land use in other areas is not like land use here.  Each area can be different and the western range states do not operate like we do here in Indiana.  As I do not have the inclination or the time to look up and type about all of it I think it is fair to suggest you look up any areas that interest you, as it seems Oregon may.


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#30 Persona Non Grata

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Posted 05 January 2016 - 04:16 PM

“This is their county – we can’t be here and force this on them. If they don’t want to retrieve their rights, and if the county people tell us to leave, we’ll leave.”

- Ryan Bundy

 

"It is time for you to leave our community. Go home, be with your own families and end this peacefully."

- Harney County Sheriff David Ward



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Posted 05 January 2016 - 04:19 PM

Tennessee troopers set up 'no refusal' checkpoints with mandatory blood draws...

 

 

http://www.timesfree...-period/342555/



#32 Col-Arthur

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Posted 05 January 2016 - 05:11 PM

Sounds like this Ammon Bundy dude is wrapping this occupation in with his mormon religion... Yee-hadist is an ever-so-more appropriate term.

 

http://www.opb.org/n...ty-wants-us-to/

It appeared to me that this entire incident was about Ammon Bundy from the getgo. He and his Sovereign Nation cronies were just grandstanding for publicity.


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#33 RiverFox

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Posted 05 January 2016 - 05:37 PM

:rolleyes:

Ya ain' got'a clue, but I'a try'n help ya........

 

jackbooted_thug_001.jpg

 

hope 'is helps........

:whistle:

If you knew anything about the census or it's history

you wouldn't have posted that one.

 

Yeah ... I know ... th' evil gub'ment.   :rolleyes:  



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Posted 05 January 2016 - 06:25 PM

Tennessee troopers set up 'no refusal' checkpoints with mandatory blood draws...


http://www.timesfree...-period/342555/



Good way for me to get shot for driving through Tennessee. Someone tries to forcibly take any bodily fluids from me, it gonna get ugly.
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Posted 05 January 2016 - 06:26 PM

If you knew anything about the census or it's history
you wouldn't have posted that one.

Yeah ... I know ... th' evil gub'ment. :rolleyes:


I know a little and am intrigued. Why wouldn't he have?

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Posted 05 January 2016 - 06:27 PM

Tennessee troopers set up 'no refusal' checkpoints with mandatory blood draws...
 
 
http://www.timesfree...-period/342555/


Another point of government out of control...

This is on my short list of things that I'd never allow to happen to me...
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Posted 05 January 2016 - 06:43 PM

If you knew anything about the census or it's history

you wouldn't have posted that one.

 

Yeah ... I know ... th' evil gub'ment.   :rolleyes:

 

 

I know a little and am intrigued. Why wouldn't he have?

ehhh.....in'a hurry.... :laugh:

usually leave 'tween 6:30/6:40.....I was push'n it.... :laugh:

 

basicly   " 'Ere's 1....."  (JBT........)



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Posted 05 January 2016 - 08:19 PM

I know a little and am intrigued. Why wouldn't he have?

Ewwww! Well you did ask. And I do still have all of my files. 
So be prepared to be bored to tears.    :blink:
 
I've worked both the 2000 and the 2010 census.
Both times I had to take "The Oath" Basically the same oath as
I took for the military except that, instead of pledging to the CinC,
there is a confidentially agreement included. To this day I can not
divulge any information that I may have picked up from my work.
http://www.census.go...disclosure.html
 
Now most of you know that I look into things before I make any commitments.
I did my research and this is typical of what I found. 

The Bureau stopped such releases during the 1920's, a position which was made official in 1930 by an opinion from the Attorney General. His opinion said that even the name and address of an individual was confidential. \
At about this same time, the Secretary of State asked for data about individual farms in Stevens County, Wash. Clouds of sulphur dioxide from a smelter located across the border in Canada had caused extensive damage to crops in the United States, and the matter had been handed over to an international tribunal. The Census Bureau refused to release the information, and the tribunal decided not to press the point, even though it felt it had the necessary power. The reason? It would have caused the U.S. Government to breach a promise it had made to its citizens as well as to violate the U.S. law of census confidentiality. The Census Bureau did provide aggregated county data which allowed the court to award damages to the Washington farmers.
Now we jump to 1941. It's hard to imagine now but, with World War II underway, there was near hysteria about the Japanese-Americans living on the West Coast which led to one of the most embarrassing moments in U.S. history, the internment of large numbers of these loyal Americans. At the height of this feeling, the Secretary of War requested the Census Bureau supply the names, addresses, and ages of all persons of Japanese extraction living on the West Coast. This time, in spite of the national emergency, the Bureau held to its position on confidentiality of individual records and refused. However, the Bureau did supply summary data at tract level, but not individual data. I should add that today tract level data is part of the regular publication program of the Bureau. But, as in 1941, no individual disclosures, even by implication, are allowed.
In 1947, during the rising concern about possible Communist infiltration and sabotage, the Attorney General requested information from census records about certain individuals for use by the FBI. Again, the request was denied.
(1975)

So I went to work at the bureau. While I was there this came out.
http://www.nytimes.c...e-japanese.html
and more recently  http://www.scientifi...he-us-census-b/   *
I read the reports and see a lot of speculation but not a lot of actual proof. Mostly releases of
macro data which is always available, as opposed to actual names and addresses as claimed.
It is possible that some information was released (especially in the Wash. D. C. area) but not likely.
 
* The bureau released a CYA statement regarding the study.

But bureau officials do not dispute the findings of the paper. They say, however, that the strengthening
of the laws protecting the confidentiality of data on individuals and the environment today would make
a repetition of those abuses unlikely.

I'll have no problem returning if I'm needed in 2020. (if I'm still alive and cognizant)
 
I've got lots more but I tried to keep it brief.  For more see:
The American Census: A Social History, Second Edition 2015

Edited by RiverFox, 05 January 2016 - 08:28 PM.

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