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#21 Kevin Vissing

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Posted 31 December 2015 - 07:27 AM

The absentee ballots that wouldn't go thru the machine on the night of the election were not the fault of the voters. Those votes were transposed onto another card by both parties as a team on election night. Those ballots should not be removed from the election.

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Posted 31 December 2015 - 09:30 AM

Explain why Mr. Wilder would move to throw out all the absentee ballots be favorable to his client Mr Webb?  That could change the result against him.  Keep electing a Democrat as Clerk and the same results will happen.  Definition of insanity.



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Posted 31 December 2015 - 10:06 AM

Maybe, just maybe, Mr. Wilder is following the law.

You know, if the law is enforced it may lead to cleaner and better elections.



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Posted 31 December 2015 - 10:16 AM

It seems that with all the counts and handling of ballots, anyone who has been closely involved has an idea how one move or the other will affect the outcome.

I'd love to know what would help Ron. I suggest they do whatever that is, and I could probably come up with some validish reason as to why that thing would be the "right" thing to do.

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Posted 31 December 2015 - 10:28 AM

Breakfast Club
Fact Checker said;
"Explain why Mr. Wilder would move to throw out
all the absentee ballots be favorable to his client Mr Webb?"

 

That is easy.

Larry Wilder is aware

that the Republican Steve Webb was ahead (for the third slot)

originally on the initial count taken from the machines
and subsequently then temporarily fell behind
as the absentee ballots were counted

and added to the totals.
Larry is actively advocating on behalf of his client.
 
David Mosley, representing the Democrats,
opposed the motion to throw out all of the absentee ballots.
The Democrats did better at obtain absentee votes than did the Republicans.
David is actively advocating on behalf of his clients.
 

The lawyers are doing their job.
 
Fact Checker also said;
"That could change the result against him.

Keep electing a Democrat as Clerk and the same results will happen."
 
Ah, ha!
The truth comes out!

The attack is a sad partisan political hack job!

 

The 2015  elections for all of the various municipalities

throughout Clark County were very well administered by the Clerk's office.

No amount of twisting and contorting by partisan political hacks can change that fact.

 

The actual recount process was not handled by the clerk herself.

There is a statutory process that was correctly implemented

by the clerk.

 

The recount was actually conducted

by  the persons directly named by the involved candidates, their lawyers,

and the technical rep of the voting machine company under the requirements of state law.

 

The shrill, way fun contentious combat and decisions

were made as the recount was conducted by the various partisan players

not the clerk's office.

The recount commission conducted the recount and made the actual DECISIONS.


Edited by Savile Row, 31 December 2015 - 11:27 AM.


#26 Savile Row

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Posted 31 December 2015 - 10:42 AM

Breakfast Club Election/Recount Discussion

Clark County Commissioner Rick Stephenson

is correct that he and the other commissionsrs did approve

the funds needed by the clerk to conduct the extensive  municipal primary and general elections.

Mr. Stephenson, Mr. Coffman, and Mr. Glover

are to be commended

for providing the essential funds from vary scarce resources

to allow the clerk to conduct the successful elections.

Thank you once again to the Clark County Commissioners for their diligent efforts!

 

Susan Popp has been very grateful for the support.

One area that was really helpful was the extensive training

with new teaching materials brought on board by the new clerk

and allowed by the funding that significantly increased the training and preparation

of the election day precinct workers to conduct the actual elections at the  65 polling locations.

 

 

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Edited by Savile Row, 31 December 2015 - 10:51 AM.


#27 Elizabeth Beilman

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Posted 31 December 2015 - 10:55 AM

This story explains the legal basis for Wilder's appeal:

 

http://www.newsandtr...ec4c5fde2f.html

 

It has to do with the law not being followed to the letter when duplicates of unreadable ballots were produced election night.



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Posted 31 December 2015 - 11:00 AM

Breakfast Club Future Projection

 

The machines

that have been inherited

by the hard working new county clerk

will have eventually have to be totally updated or replaced.

While the elections are being very fairly and properly administered,

the technical glitches and process will need to be continually addressed

as the machines are over 20 years old.

 

Remember,

that in Ms.Popp's recount in 2014,

which was in an election BEFORE she held the office,

around 300 votes were undercounted.

That recount properly found

those earlier mistakes

and allowed those votes

which went to both the Republican and Democrat candidates.

The aging machines also could not originally read all of the ballots in that election.

That less contentious hand recount solved the problem.


Edited by Savile Row, 31 December 2015 - 11:56 AM.


#29 Savile Row

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Posted 31 December 2015 - 11:18 AM

Breakfast Club Dousy of a Way Fun Recount Discussion

Once again thank you

to the new county clerk for her diligent efforts

and thank you to the county commissioners for their diligent efforts.

 

Funding

The county's funding issues

have been legendary for quite some time.

The DLGF is most likely not going to open the flood gates

by allowing a special request for more cash for Clark County as it could impact the entire state by precedence.

 

Both the commendable county clerk

and the commendable county commissioners

are very good office holders that are working very hard

to stretch the tax dollars as well as they can within the limitations.

 

Everyone knows of the problems with the aging machines.

The dedicated commissioners will probably have to provide funding

to fix the recurring, long time, ongoing old machine difficulties.

Some money may have to be expended. Voter centers

will also be on the table for discussion.

 

The technical company

that has been hired over the years

to provide the support for the old machines has, I understand,

been explaining the ongoing difficulties  and the problems that have occurred

with their technical support.

 

Bro Savile Row also understands that Ms. Beilman

and the Newsandtribune

are looking into the technical problems pointed out by the clerk.

The technical support company will be admitting their glitches and responsibility.

The nifty  N-T is rumored to be on this

and may be  providing detailed information

from the company about the problems

and the solutions the clerk has requested.


Edited by Savile Row, 31 December 2015 - 11:55 AM.


#30 Savile Row

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Posted 31 December 2015 - 11:46 AM

Breakfast Club Recount Gig Evaluation

The ballots that could not be read

by the machine company's current programing

due to the printing company's  error were dutifully preserved.

 

Duplicates were created by hand by the Republican and Democrat

representatives working together in front  of people that night.

They are dutifully preserved.

 

The new ones for the machine were not assigned "new numbers".

The old ballots and those new ones still exist and can be examined.

The R's and D's  initially agreed that night that those ballots were counted accurately.

The lack of the "individual numbering requirement" for the new 1,000 or so new ballots

is being questioned by Mr.Wilder.

They replaced the improperly printed ballots that the machines could not read electronically.

 

Mr. Wilder, attorney  for the Republicans,

advocated  initially that ALL of the  absentee ballots should be excluded.

 

Mr. Mosely, attorney for the Democrats, says "no way bro!"

 

Attorneys Dawn Elston and Dustin White, a candidate himself, are involved.

Mr.White wants a whole new election!

 

The operable phrase

for the four very competent barristers is... "At the end of the Day!"

 

:D

 

Savile Row  likes all of these lawyers!

Larry Wilder and David Mosley going at each other

in front of the duly appointed recount panel

and judges

is living Clark County history!

:popcorn:


Edited by Savile Row, 31 December 2015 - 12:37 PM.


#31 Fact Checker

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Posted 31 December 2015 - 08:29 PM

If the candidates who lost want a new election I suggest the candidates pay.  NO taxpayer funds should ever go to this mockery.  Think it is funny that Webb is certified as the winner and has been sworn in and takes office at midnight yet the appeals process with take place in February?  Why have the appeal in February?  Just wait until later in the year.  Stupid



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Posted 01 January 2016 - 01:55 AM

Fact checker,  Unfortunately this is a result of the legal process.  I predict that Josh Rodriquez, the election night winner, will be returned to the position the people elected him to.  

 

According to the law. 


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#33 Fact Checker

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Posted 01 January 2016 - 10:33 AM

Law needs to be changed then.  Webb is now in office and then later in the year he is removed?  Makes no sense.  Even that loser Al Gore finally gave it up in 2000.  Webb is certified and move on.  Would say the same thing had it been Rodriguez. 



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Posted 01 January 2016 - 11:49 AM

Clearly,  the difference in the numbers in the counts, and the way the rules were interpreted and followed, by what some are saying, indicates the appeal of this decision is spot on.



#35 hillbilly highway

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Posted 01 January 2016 - 01:21 PM

You can't have a trustworthy recount when the people doing the recount are not independent.
You can't have a trustworthy audit when the auditors are not independent.
You can't have a trustworthy facility study (think GCCS) when the firm doing the study is not independent.
How on earth do these people think anyone can trust the results under these circumstances?


I don't care if Webb or Rodriguez or Mickey Mouse "won" --- but the way it stands right now, there is NO valid, clear "winner". Being a "great man" or "part of great family" does not make someone the winner. A truly honorable man/woman would refuse to be sworn in until this fiasco was rectified.

The whole thing is one big mess -- typical of Clark County. But I must say that the Democrats really blew it when they allowed John Perkins to be involved at all. One of the pictures in the paper showed Rodriguez with Perkins in the background with his ex-wife who is on probation for felony theft!. Sheesh, why would Galligan involve people like this if he expected to get people to have any faith in the results of the recount?

I want to know who is paying the attorneys.

If they would remove the stright party off the ballots and make the lazy people connect more than one line there wouldn't be so much confusion. But I know that will not happen. And it would curb some of the AT ballot corruption
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#36 Savile Row

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Posted 01 January 2016 - 05:45 PM

Breaking News

Breakfast Club Voting Technology Review

 

I. Interesting Information

The story at breakfast today is that the new Clark County Clerk

is diligently looking at a review of the 20 year old voting machines

and the system that has been utilized.

 

II. Cost Effective Analysis

The also diligent Clark County Commissioners will be brought on board

as the implementation of any upgrades would necessitate  their involvement, 

approval, final decision, and implementation,

if changes are felt necessary and affordable.

 

III. Worth the Cost or Isolated Marginal Problems?

The overwhelming number

of various governments' municipal races in 2015

in the Spring and Fall were not close or problematic,

but the razor thin margin

in the TIGHT three-to-be-elected-from-six-candidates at-large council race is still garnering contention.


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#37 Savile Row

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Posted 01 January 2016 - 06:00 PM

Breakfast Club:
Clark  County Clerk's New Review of 20 Year Old Voting Machines Update
 

 

10 Things to Know about Managing  Aging Voting Systems

U.S. ELECTION ASSISTANCE COMMISSION

www.eac.gov

The EAC’s Managing Election Technology Series

 

Overview

The Issue of Aging Voting Systems
In its simplest terms, system lifecycle refers to the period of time

during which IT hardware and software is going to remain useful to election officials.

States and jurisdictions are facing the prospect of continuing to manage aging voting systems

in an environment in which expectations for security and reliability of these systems has never been greater.

 

While we know that no system’s life can be extended indefinitely,

we also know that in this time of dwindling budgets, State and local election officials

must find suitable strategies for extending the useful life of voting systems.

 

In the years 2002 to 2005

there was an unprecedented surge

in the acquisition of voting systems across this country.

Old and antiquated systems and technologies were replaced with new systems. During this time election officials were focused on getting the systems rolled out, getting poll workers trained and getting voters familiar with the new systems. Because of the urgency of the task at hand systems were often deployed in a manner that gave little forethought to sustainability.

 

Not unlike the

American infrastructure of roads,

bridges and water systems

that are critical

to the economy of this country,

we need to monitor our voting systems

and diligently remediate the inevitable issues as they age.
 

http://www.eac.gov/a...nal 8 10 15.pdf


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#38 Pesty Version 2

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Posted 03 January 2016 - 01:59 PM

If they would remove the stright party off the ballots and make the lazy people connect more than one line there wouldn't be so much confusion. But I know that will not happen. And it would curb some of the AT ballot corruption

 

Hillbilly,  when I saw you'd posted, I wrongly assumed you were going to say something I would disagree with.  I am not sure about there being an issue of "lazy people" or of  Absentee ballot corruption, but I do agree that the straight ticket type ballot may have outlived it's usefulness.  In this election, it 

certainly caused confusion.  But I think the two parties that are on the ballot won't give up that advantage anytime soon. 


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Posted 04 January 2016 - 09:35 AM

Hillbilly,  when I saw you'd posted, I wrongly assumed you were going to say something I would disagree with.  I am not sure about there being an issue of "lazy people" or of  Absentee ballot corruption, but I do agree that the straight ticket type ballot may have outlived it's usefulness.  In this election, it 

certainly caused confusion.  But I think the two parties that are on the ballot won't give up that advantage anytime soon. 

 

Could your opinion come from the fact that there are no longer more Dem than Rep straight tickets. 

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Posted 04 January 2016 - 11:21 AM

I'm in the process of requesting documents from the recount and writing a follow-up story on the at-large recount process, and I plan to interview all three commissioners. I will touch on Mobley's objectivity in my interview.

 

From what I remember hearing, the GOP gets one appointment (Wadsworth), Dems get one (Perkins), and the third must be a mechanic for voting machines (Mobley). That narrowed down the choices for the third person significantly, though I'm not sure how many other options there were. 

 

I sure hope that you will also focus on the blatant bias that Mr. Perkins had for Mr. Rodriquez. Even to the point of when he entered the room from "calculating" the results he was giddy. When Councilman White request that they calculate the numbers in the public eye, his body language changed drastically. Chairman Noel was correct in saying that he got caught trying to steal an election, certified the results, and then changed his mind AND LIED about what happened in recount to Judge in letter the next morning.

 

Please be sure to look at objectivity of everyone not just Det. Mobley.






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