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#21 Savile Row

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Posted 25 October 2015 - 12:30 PM

Yes, you have 100% of three votes for the town council under the 3/7ths plan,

but not for the total seven that make the decision on the Executive Branch leader.

 

There are SEVEN total votes

by council members to select the head of the Executive Branch.

Therefore, if you are deprived of making a vote for all of the persons that make that decision,

you would only get to vote for three of the seven, a 3/7ths of a vote,

for the persons  that make the decision.

A person therefore would have NO SAY in the election of FOUR

of the seven persons electing  the head

of the Executive Branch .

 

Russell's IDEA

of letting the top vote receiver at-large,  running town wide,

serve as the HEAD  of the Executive Branch

does have a lot of MERIT !

It is not just a Democrat plan, not just a Republican plan, nor even just a Libertarian plan.


Edited by Savile Row, 25 October 2015 - 01:10 PM.


#22 Russell Brooksbank

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Posted 25 October 2015 - 12:37 PM

Yes, you have 100% of three votes for the town council under the 3/7th plan,
but not for the total seven that make the decision.

However, there are SEVEN total votes
by council members to select the head of the Executive Branch.
Therefore, you are deprived of making a for 100% of the persons that make that decision.
You only get a 3/7ths of a vote.
A person has NO SAY in the election of FOUR
of the persons electing the head of the Executive Branch .

I understand what you are saying, but I do have 3 whole votes for that Executive. Using your logic I can say that I only have 1/ 319 millionth of a vote for President. Do you see the flaw there?

Either way, let's do my plan and avoid all this altogether. 1 person. 1 vote. What say you?

Edited by Russell Brooksbank, 25 October 2015 - 12:38 PM.


#23 Savile Row

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Posted 25 October 2015 - 01:28 PM

"I do have 3 whole votes for that Executive."
 
However, you only have a partial total vote for the head of the Executive Branch.
You have no vote for four of the seven that will make the decision.
 
That is why we elect  governors and mayors throughout  their political districts
to serve as the head of their Executive Branch.

 The election of a Legislative Branch
is broken down into individual districts and at-large districts.
At the state and federal level, it is broken into two separate bodies, the various senates and the houses of reps.
 
The vote for the president is a different situation
and was very intelligently broken up by the sovereign states into an electoral college process.

Russell's IDEA
of letting the top vote receiver at-large, running town wide,
serve as the HEAD of the Executive Branch
does have a lot of MERIT !

 

You may want to research

and see of the town council

can make that change by local ordinance for 2019

or if they need approval from the Indiana General Assembly

before they could pass an ordinance to allow that new process.


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#24 jiyabird

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Posted 25 October 2015 - 01:30 PM

Just MHO but I think all major decisions, City, County and National(read Gay Marriage, Gun Control, Goverment Positions..no electoral college) should be by popular vote. The only fair way and the only way to assure no one person has a personal agenda.

Edited by jiyabird, 25 October 2015 - 01:31 PM.


#25 Russell Brooksbank

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Posted 25 October 2015 - 01:38 PM

"I do have 3 whole votes for that Executive."

However, you only have a partial total vote for the head of the Executive Branch.
You have no vote for four of the seven that will make the decision.

That is why we elect governors and mayors throughout their political districts
to serve as the head of their Executive Branch.

The election of a Legislative Branch
is broken down into individual districts and at-large districts.
At the state and federal level, it is broken into two separate bodies, the various senates and the houses of reps.

The vote for the president is a different situation
and was very intelligently broken up by the sovereign states into an electoral college process.

Russell's IDEA
of letting the top vote receiver at-large, running town wide,
serve as the HEAD of the Executive Branch
does have a lot of MERIT !

You may want to research
and see of the town council
can make that change by local ordinance for 2019
or if they need approval from the Indiana General Assembly
before they could pass an ordinance to allow that new process.

Like I said in my proposal, there are issues that need to be ironed out, but I also think Home Rule will take care of a majority of those issues.

#26 Savile Row

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Posted 25 October 2015 - 01:38 PM

Concepts/Possible Paths to Travel Upon for the Journey
 
1.)   Continue the election of the town council members
        city wide so that each voter has an equal vote for the head of the Executive Branch.
       The Legislative Branch also continues town wide for each member.,
2.)   Go to the restrictive 3/7th vote concept. Two members

       are elected at-large  and five in districts. The voter

       gets a lessened input of the Executive Branch head.
3.)   Change to a city form of government
       and elect the Legislative Branch and the Executive Branch separately.,
4.    Enact Russell's suggestion of allowing the top vote receiver city wide, at-large
       to be the head of the Executive Branch. Two are elected at-large
       and five in districts.


Edited by Savile Row, 25 October 2015 - 02:08 PM.


#27 Savile Row

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Posted 25 October 2015 - 01:40 PM

The member elected

to be the head of the Executive Branch

would have to vote occasionally to break ties,

sorta, kinda  like the Vice President in the Senate.



#28 Russell Brooksbank

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Posted 25 October 2015 - 01:42 PM

Just MHO but I think all major decisions, City, County and National(read Gay Marriage, Gun Control, Goverment Positions..no electoral college) should be by popular vote. The only fair way and the only way to assure no one person has a personal agenda.

When it comes to the issue of rights the popular vote is a dangerous thing. There is a reason we are a Republic and not a Democracy.
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#29 Russell Brooksbank

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Posted 25 October 2015 - 01:49 PM

The member elected
to be the head of the Executive Branch
would have to vote occasionally to break ties,
sorta, kinda like the Vice President in the Senate.

Actually, per state statute, the one who breaks ties is the clerk/treasurer. Although, we could make it to where the remaining at large member becomes the "Vice President" or Chairman of the Council who then presides over the meetings. There are numerous possibilities.

I'm just not a big fan of the "take it or leave it" approach. It has been my experience that in that instance the best solution is somewhere in the middle.

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Posted 25 October 2015 - 02:01 PM

Voter Initiative
can  be placed upon the ballot
in Clarksville.

There could be four choices.

One of the popular choices could be called the Brooksbank Amendment !
It may well  be the best selection.
History can be made in Clarksville!
Other towns statewide embroiled
in the same
'Problematic Governmental Concept"
would be watching!
 
Tina, as a very knowledgeable 

participant and observer,
what say you?


Edited by Savile Row, 25 October 2015 - 02:20 PM.

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#31 Sleepy

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Posted 25 October 2015 - 05:50 PM

Do you want 3/7 of a candy bar or

7/7 s of a candy bar.



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Posted 25 October 2015 - 05:51 PM

Little Tommy

 

at 6'4 200

You are a small guy based on some of the Repub and Dem pics I have seen.  LOL



#33 Russell Brooksbank

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Posted 25 October 2015 - 05:53 PM

It would be good if we chose the Town Executive as opposed to the council doing the choosing.

Edited by Russell Brooksbank, 25 October 2015 - 06:03 PM.


#34 Russell Brooksbank

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Posted 25 October 2015 - 06:00 PM

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Edited by Russell Brooksbank, 25 October 2015 - 06:02 PM.


#35 GrumpyGranny

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Posted 25 October 2015 - 06:18 PM

Do you want 3/7 of a candy bar or

7/7 s of a candy bar.

 

I want to vote for my choice of council person for my district and the at large seats only. I want the candidate who wins my district to be seated on the council representing my district. I do not want to vote for any other district's candidate and I do not want voters from other districts to choose my district's council person.

 

This 3/7ths crap is just that, crap. Made up by men who were afraid they wouldn't be elected or reelected any other way; afraid their own district wouldn't want them, just like two districts didn't want two of the current crop in the last election.

 

Hey, yeah! Let's keep town wide voting! That way the guys who can't get elected/reelected on their own merit in their district can get their drinking buddies, their extended family members, their employees, all those not in their district but who want to curry favor, can still be elected.


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Posted 25 October 2015 - 06:19 PM

I just want my share of the candy bar and not hog the other 4's share.


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#37 Russell Brooksbank

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Posted 25 October 2015 - 06:21 PM

The whole 3/7ths of a vote thing assumes that the 7 are voting the same. How can you divide a vote that is different?

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Posted 25 October 2015 - 06:27 PM

Why don't we vote for all Congress seats for the State of Indiana instead of just one? Should I get to decide for Indianapolis or Gary? Should they decide for me?


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Posted 25 October 2015 - 09:02 PM

 Tina, as a very knowledgeable 
participant and observer,
what say you?


As a resident of Sellersburg which just went back to district voting, I think it works just fine for a town! :-D

I think making everyone run at large is a barrier to entry and does not benefit the people. Everyone already thinks all signs must be 4x4s and full color, with pictures. Our elections around here are getting more expensive every cycle!

Don't democrats care about barriers to entry? Or does it only matter to cast the ballot, not to be ON it?
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#40 RStephenson

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Posted 25 October 2015 - 10:53 PM

I personally do not like going door to door. People come home and try to relax or get some work done around the house. I know I do not like answering the door to hear a sales pitch. I do like to drop off information about a candidate for the resident to read at their leisure. I know JMO, I respect the residents privacy to much to knock on their door.
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