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#41 Persona Non Grata

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Posted 23 October 2015 - 04:51 AM

What does she say over and over?


Look, I'm not willing to work as hard to make my point (that some people, crazy ones in particular, shouldn't have guns) as you are to obscure it or refute it or whatever you're doing. So you win. I've had enough.
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Posted 23 October 2015 - 07:05 AM

How, practically, do you keep crazy people from having guns?
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Posted 23 October 2015 - 07:14 AM

How, practically, do you keep crazy people from having guns?

And who gets to make the call to access the level of "Crazy"


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Posted 23 October 2015 - 07:17 AM

How, practically, do you keep crazy people from having guns?

  

And who gets to make the call to access the level of "Crazy"


Exactly

#45 Russell Brooksbank

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Posted 23 October 2015 - 09:39 AM

How, practically, do you keep crazy people from having guns?

And who gets to make the call to access the level of "Crazy"

Exactly


Exactly

#46 Russell Brooksbank

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Posted 23 October 2015 - 09:42 AM

Look, I'm not willing to work as hard to make my point (that some people, crazy ones in particular, shouldn't have guns) as you are to obscure it or refute it or whatever you're doing. So you win. I've had enough.


I believe, if you look back, I did answer your question, then I proceeded to make my point. I will take the win though, for the record.

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Posted 23 October 2015 - 11:48 AM

And whats to say, in this day and age, a perfectly sane person one day will not go crazy the next...especially the way the government is trying to control our minds and our lives.
Another way to look at it...they are really not capable of calling anyone crazy...sort of like the kettle and the pot.

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#48 Russell Brooksbank

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Posted 23 October 2015 - 12:13 PM

My point is that no matter what arbitrary line we draw the people who want to cross that line will do so. Crazy people will still get guns. So, I do not want to hinder in any way everyone else from being able to defend themselves from crazy people with guns, especially those crazy people who happen to be elected officials.
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Posted 26 October 2015 - 11:18 PM

The Mexican drug cartels are unarguably "crazy".  Obama and Holder sent them automatic weapons!

 

The so-called rebels in Syria have been fighting along side Al Qaida and ISIS.  Putin has shown videos of US planes dropping weapons and supplies to them.

 

Obama armed Libyan rebels that overthrew Gaddafi, then murdered 4 Americans and burned our Embassy several months later.

 

Why does this administration worry about law abiding citizens having guns while arming thugs the world over?

 



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Posted 26 October 2015 - 11:56 PM

George W. Bush launched an illegal war based on lies to overthrow Saddam Hussein . . . embassy attacks that claimed the lives of 60 people . . . was left wanting in the wake of 9/11 AND Katrina . . . darn you, Obama!



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Posted 26 October 2015 - 11:59 PM

I worry about those not-so-law-abiding citizens having guns.  There has to be a sane approach. 



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Posted 27 October 2015 - 06:56 AM

The Mexican drug cartels are unarguably "crazy". Obama and Holder sent them automatic weapons!

The so-called rebels in Syria have been fighting along side Al Qaida and ISIS. Putin has shown videos of US planes dropping weapons and supplies to them.

Obama armed Libyan rebels that overthrew Gaddafi, then murdered 4 Americans and burned our Embassy several months later.


Oh no! I learned my lesson. Who's to say who's crazy and who is not??? Everybody has the right to have guns. Maybe we shouldn't be supplying them (although EVERY administration does it) but God gives them the right to have guns and it's not our place to decide who is fit to have them and who isn't.

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Posted 12 November 2015 - 08:32 PM

I've been meaning to address this for some time but got caught up in other issues.  
First off, no one is coming for our guns. That's just absurd. Also quite dangerous.

Now, something has been troubling me. I've been a customer of Sportsman's Guide
for many years. They have always sold guns; black powder, antique, air and CO2.
They have also sold all sorts of gun parts with the exception of controlled items.
About a year ago they started offering unfinished lower receivers for AR15s.
Since they are unfinished they are legal. Takes a good machinist to finish them.
(a good income for someone with that talent to make unregulated personal sales)
That bothered me a bit but it's not a big problem overall.

About three months ago that all changed. They started offering everything.
Pistols, rifles, tactical shotguns and even the pistol version of the AK.  
Have I missed something? I know that the "Assault Weapons Ban" and
"The Brady Bill" both expired years ago. So what has changed recently?
Nothing against Sportsman's but I find this disturbing. Much worse than
the gun show loophole that everyone's always whining about.

Does anyone know why this is happening?



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Posted 12 November 2015 - 08:56 PM

Because there is money in it?

 

I am sure that FFL items need to go to an FFL to stay legal.


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Posted 12 November 2015 - 09:09 PM

:thumbsup:
I thought that the Gun Control Act prohibited the direct mail order of firearms.
I'll have look again to see if they've changed their delivery process.
 
Yep ... you're right. New procedures.

- GUN PURCHASE INSTRUCTIONS

- By Federal law your gun must be shipped to a FFL dealer.
- Add your gun to your shopping cart and proceed to checkout.
- During checkout, select a local FFL dealer that will accept the gun.


Edited by RiverFox, 12 November 2015 - 09:16 PM.


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Posted 12 November 2015 - 09:12 PM

I've been meaning to address this for some time but got caught up in other issues.  
First off, no one is coming for our guns. That's just absurd. Also quite dangerous.
Now, something has been troubling me. I've been a customer of Sportsman's Guide
for many years. They have always sold guns; black powder, antique, air and CO2.
They have also sold all sorts of gun parts with the exception of controlled items.
About a year ago they started offering unfinished lower receivers for AR15s.
Since they are unfinished they are legal. Takes a good machinist to finish them.
(a good income for someone with that talent to make unregulated personal sales)
That bothered me a bit but it's not a big problem overall.
About three months ago that all changed. They started offering everything.
Pistols, rifles, tactical shotguns and even the pistol version of the AK.  
Have I missed something? I know that the "Assault Weapons Ban" and
"The Brady Bill" both expired years ago. So what has changed recently?
Nothing against Sportsman's but I find this disturbing. Much worse than
the gun show loophole that everyone's always whining about.
Does anyone know why this is happening?


Did you take the trouble to read post #1 by Quasar? What is to prevent that from happening nationally?

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Posted 12 November 2015 - 09:25 PM

Yes I did. That's New York. They have always been the red-headed stepchild of restrictive legislation.

Even worse than California. Remember the big drink cups? 

 

Sad really. The whole state is basically controlled by New York City.

Ask anyone who's lived in "Upstate New York".


Edited by RiverFox, 12 November 2015 - 10:02 PM.


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Posted 13 November 2015 - 01:35 AM

I've been meaning to address this for some time but got caught up in other issues.
First off, no one is coming for our guns. That's just absurd. Also quite dangerous.
Now, something has been troubling me. I've been a customer of Sportsman's Guide
for many years. They have always sold guns; black powder, antique, air and CO2.
They have also sold all sorts of gun parts with the exception of controlled items.
About a year ago they started offering unfinished lower receivers for AR15s.
Since they are unfinished they are legal. Takes a good machinist to finish them.
(a good income for someone with that talent to make unregulated personal sales)
That bothered me a bit but it's not a big problem overall.
About three months ago that all changed. They started offering everything.
Pistols, rifles, tactical shotguns and even the pistol version of the AK.
Have I missed something? I know that the "Assault Weapons Ban" and
"The Brady Bill" both expired years ago. So what has changed recently?
Nothing against Sportsman's but I find this disturbing. Much worse than
the gun show loophole that everyone's always whining about.
Does anyone know why this is happening?

So you thought they were selling firearms via the Internet directly to consumers and disregarding federal gun laws?

I know that the media keeps telling that lie, but I thought most people understood that it was a false claim. I think this is an excellent example of how anti gun agenda misinformation is affective in swaying public opinion.

As far as gun confiscation in America... don't forget that we've seen it happen. New Orleans, post Katrina... the police went door to door taking guns from law abiding citizens...
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#59 RiverFox

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Posted 13 November 2015 - 02:26 PM

At first, yes. The change in procedure wasn't obvious.

This was strictly from personal observation. It's an example of nothing.
I have not seen that particular piece of misinformation.
You should know by now that I don't buy into any propaganda. (left or right)

I feel better about the situation now, as long as the FFL owners are doing
their job. There is no need for further gun legislation if everyone followed
the laws that are already on the books. That isn't always the case.
And there are a lot of loopholes that need to be closed in the existing laws.

That's why I'm even more concerned about the 80% lower receivers now.
While looking for the Sportsman's FFL shipping procedures I found this:

REVIEW
Good quality.
These lowers are of good quality when their done right the reason I only gave 4 stars was because

I received one of these that still had greasy filing in some nooks so their was no anodizing those spots

after I cleaned it and one of the holes was not drilled all the way. I've also gotten one that was done

completely right so this may have been one bad one. Personally I preferred them when they came with

a black hard coat but no does that anymore.
http://www.sportsman...eiver?a=1800860

So at least one person is buying and finishing multiple receivers. Interesting "hobby".    :ermm:   

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You should also realize by now that I am not motivated by fear mongering.

My politics aren't dictated to me by MsNBC or FUX News.

 

 

 

 



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Posted 13 November 2015 - 03:52 PM

Riverfox, with all due respect, I don't believe you are admitting to the big picture. The SAFE act was passed in New York in FIFTEEN minutes without a chance for any debate, discussion, rebuttal or the Senators to read, object, speak or even represent their supporters.
The entire thing stinking of odors left behind by multibillionaire Bloomberg, Cuomo, Feinstein and Obama wafting in the air.
Cuomo already has called for a National SAFE act as soon as the Second Court issued it's ruling and idiot Feinstein has introduced a national version in the Senate.
As said, the Second Amendment doomsday clock is two minutes to midnight.
I think you are far, far too complacent.
You may want to read my post #22 as to what I think the results will be if our guns are taken. We cannot fight them...unless our militia reacts and our military boys and police refuse to follow orders. I hope they have not been brainwashed enough to follow blindly and bring down our country at the command of a few power hungry zelots.
Our kids are so wrapped up in their own lives, there are so many people who no longer want to stand up for our God Given Rights, who take offense at every little word or deed or look they consider wrong I am not sure we have a chance any longer...I think it is too late.




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