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#41 BrianLenfert

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Posted 13 February 2015 - 01:36 PM

The total county general budget that was requested by all the department heads totals $21.4 million.  The council held several budget workshops during which the cut the budget down to $15.5 million.  The state says that our budget is not to exceed $7.9 million.  I am a big fan of lean and efficient government, but not real sure how we can take our existing $15.5 million dollar budget and cut it in half.

 

The state gives 5 situations where a unit of government can request a levy appeal:

 

1. Annexation, consolidation, or extension of services.

2. Three-year growth factor exceeding 2% of the state-wide average.

3. Correction of advertising error, mathematical errors, or errors in the data.

4. Shortfall due to erroneous assessed valuation.

5. Emergency.

 

I don't think we qualify for any of these, but I'm no expert.



#42 Tina

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Posted 20 February 2015 - 02:37 PM

I marked the increases from last year with an arrow.  Either spending went up or net assessed values went down. That's the way to get the tax rate to go up.

 

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2014: http://www.in.gov/dl...udget_Order.pdf

2015: http://www.in.gov/dl...udget_Order.pdf

 

County was .3832 in 2014; county is .4108 in 2015.  For the county it shows CNAV went up, which means spending must have as well.


Edited by Tina, 20 February 2015 - 02:44 PM.


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Posted 20 February 2015 - 02:42 PM

GCCS: 2014= 1.1047  | 2015= .9393

WCCS: 2014= 1.1128  |  2015= 1.1036

CCS: 2014= 1.277  | 2015= 1.4669 


Edited by Tina, 20 February 2015 - 02:42 PM.


#44 Matt

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Posted 20 February 2015 - 05:36 PM

The council screwed themselves and the taxpayers when they did this. Don't expect a hand out or a bail out. If you think we have it and want to give it up you are mistaken. Forcing the taxpayers to bail out a government fiasco should not be an option. Looks like some services and departments should be closed down.

#45 RStephenson

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Posted 20 February 2015 - 05:43 PM

So, which services do you suggest we shut down? Not being a smart donkey here just wondering. I think it would be interesting to see what services the residents of the county deem unnecessary.

Edited by RStephenson, 20 February 2015 - 05:47 PM.

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Posted 21 February 2015 - 09:27 AM

Rick

How about you tell us which services you suggest?

You are elected for a reason, plus you have all the data.

Please share your thoughts?

 

Elected officials always have the answers during the good times, hardly listen to the taxpayer.

When things are difficult the old.  " What would you do " comes out.

 

I want the elected officials to tell us what we need to cut, not a few people who are on chatter.

 

My soap box is down.

 

Not trying to be a smart donkey Rick I am serious with this question.


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Posted 21 February 2015 - 10:55 AM

I am looking for property in Jefferson county. This county is the WORST county in Indiana for the amount of messes they get themselves into then want the taxpayers to bail them out. Taxes are cheaper in Jefferson and they don't have anywhere near the mismanagement of their government. I have lived in Clark my whole life but enough is too much. This will save me over $1300 a year in county income tax alone. Good riddance.


Edited by dawizzy1, 21 February 2015 - 10:56 AM.


#48 Not Super But Honest Mike

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Posted 21 February 2015 - 11:02 AM

Jefferson County Ky or Jefferson County ind?



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Posted 21 February 2015 - 12:10 PM

The man asks "which services should be cut....... ?"   

 

 

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#50 dawizzy1

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Posted 21 February 2015 - 02:12 PM

Jefferson County Ky or Jefferson County ind?

Indiana



#51 BrianLenfert

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Posted 21 February 2015 - 02:38 PM

dawizzy, I will not disagree with you that Clark County has made some really bad decisions in the past.  Just make sure you look at the entire tax picture in Jefferson County.  Their 2013 (latest info I have) county property tax rate was more than double ours.

 

Jefferson Co. property tax rate: $0.6115

Clark Co. property tax rate: $0.2998

 

So for a $250,000 assessed home;  Clark County tax would be $749.  Jefferson County tax would be $1,529.



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Posted 21 February 2015 - 02:47 PM

dawizzy, I will not disagree with you that Clark County has made some really bad decisions in the past.  Just make sure you look at the entire tax picture in Jefferson County.  Their 2013 (latest info I have) county property tax rate was more than double ours.

 

Jefferson Co. property tax rate: $0.6115

Clark Co. property tax rate: $0.2998

 

So for a $250,000 assessed home;  Clark County tax would be $749.  Jefferson County tax would be $1,529.

Even so, that's still a net savings of around $600 a year on total taxes.



#53 Tina

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Posted 21 February 2015 - 02:54 PM

http://www.indystar....unties/2687199/



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Posted 21 February 2015 - 03:58 PM

I did not say I would try to cut them. I would just like to see what a small sampling of the population things are unnecessary programs.

Look at it as me reaching out to give people a voice in their government. All services need to reviewed and evaluated for ways to streamline or eliminate the service completely.

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Posted 21 February 2015 - 04:01 PM

Mr. Lenfert -- Your numbers are very misleading.  You must only be showing the county portion of the total tax bill paid by Clark County residents.  Please show the total to be fair.   As you know, someone with a $250,000 home pays a lot more than $749.   As Tina showed, Clark County rates in the top 20 of Indiana counties with the highest property tax burden.   Jefferson County was not on the list.  I am sure you realized that dawizzy1 was referring to total taxes in Clark County, not just the county portion.


Edited by IntegrityMatters, 21 February 2015 - 04:08 PM.


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Posted 21 February 2015 - 04:04 PM

I did not say I would try to cut them. I would just like to see what a small sampling of the population things are unnecessary programs.

Look at it as me reaching out to give people a voice in their government. All services need to reviewed and evaluated for ways to streamline or eliminate the service completely.

The county council is the one with this duty.  But couldn't the commissioners hire an outside firm to do a detailed study/audit of the budgets to see where there might be "padding"?  Every single office holder will claim they don't pad, but that's not always what the historical receipts/bills show.

 

Have we ever required the department heads to start with a zero baseline budget and build one [a budget] from scratch?


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#57 RStephenson

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Posted 21 February 2015 - 04:08 PM

Tina, do the tax amounts the Star quoted include the mandates?

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Posted 21 February 2015 - 04:21 PM

Tina, do the tax amounts the Star quoted include the mandates?

 

Their numbers appear to be the total property taxes paid divided by the population.

 

Here's the budget order for that year:

http://www.in.gov/dl...udget_Order.pdf

 

So if the mandates are paid from the property taxes, then yes - I assume they include the mandates?  Brian can correct me if I'm wrong.



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Posted 21 February 2015 - 04:37 PM

You can compare counties here:

https://gateway.ifio...rtyTax&rptVer=a

 

Clark Co 2013 population: 112,938

Jefferson Co 2013 pop: 32,458

 

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Using the same math the Indy Star used:

Total Jefferson Co taxes average to $840.16

Total Clark Co taxes average $870.33

 

I am not sure where to find the income taxes by county to get the total picture.



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Posted 21 February 2015 - 04:42 PM

Here's a list of the income tax rates by county:

http://www.in.gov/dor/files/dn01.pdf

 

 

Anyone know where I can find the totals received?


Edited by Tina, 21 February 2015 - 04:45 PM.





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