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#41 snowman

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Posted 11 February 2015 - 01:05 PM

the actual school building has very little to do with learning and education, in my opinion.


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Posted 11 February 2015 - 01:14 PM

You're right, Snowman, but the location of those ELEMENTARY schools mean a great deal to children and their families.

 

Neighborhood children should have schools in their neighborhoods. 



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Posted 11 February 2015 - 01:58 PM

You're right, Snowman, but the location of those ELEMENTARY schools mean a great deal to children and their families.

 

Neighborhood children should have schools in their neighborhoods. 

 

oh, i absolutely agree! and i see nothing wrong with any of the buildings that we currently have. dang man... we tear things down and rebuild at the drop of a hat, when we need to be conserving resources. i hate that we might be bamboozled into building 9 new school buildings. a waste of money.


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Posted 11 February 2015 - 03:44 PM

While I agree that building 9 new schools would be a waste of money, there has for some time been a need to do major repairs and renovations at many of GCCS's buildings.    I suspect that if you talked with the maintenance people at GCCS they would have plenty of complaints about the electrical service, plumbing, roofs, etc. at many of the buildings.   If the bridge projects bring added enrollment to the district, there will probably be the need for expansion too.

 

When Tom Rohr was Superintendent there was a 100 person community committee that along with a facility assessment by one of the Indianapolis based architectural/engineering firms, gave input into a plan that Rohr presented to the School Board.   The first stage of that plan was the repairs and expansions to the three high schools.   But there was far more work to be done than just those three buildings.



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Posted 11 February 2015 - 03:54 PM

"If the bridge projects bring added enrollment to the district," then expand.  In the meantime, I would appreciate GCCS refraining from tearing holes within neighborhoods simply because they think bigger is better. 


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#46 IntegrityMatters

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Posted 11 February 2015 - 03:59 PM

That is a big "IF" ---- there is no guarantee that people will move to the GCCS school district --- many will opt to live in Sellersburg or on the Louisville side.  Buildings should not be built in "hopes" of added enrollment.  They may end up with a lot of expensive empty buildings.   If and when enrollment does increase, then can plans be made to add onto existing buildings or build additional buildings.  But don't put the cart before the horse.


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Posted 11 February 2015 - 08:41 PM

I went to the Parent Listening session at Maple tonight.

 

And, dontcha know there are some MAJOR renovations needed at Maple, Spring Hill, Thomas Jefferson and Parkwood. 

 

We can build a NEW school for $15 million that will serve up to 750 students.  But Dr. Melin couldn't divulge any details, and stated that he "probably already said more than I should have."  Um, he didn't say any details, but talked "equity for all students." 

 

That Kovert-Hawkins study that was completed over a year ago?  Well, those results won't be made public until June (because state legislation REQUIRES it in order to be on the November referendum.)  He talked about the referendum as the voter's choosing to improve and expand our educational opportunities, for our children, no less.  Only when asked if the referendum was a tax hike did he admit "Yes." 

 

How about we do the "major renovations" at neighborhood schools that educate between 200 - 500 students?  Seems a lot more cost effective than building FOUR schools at a price tag of $15 million to house 750 students each!  Keeping kids & neighborhoods whole should be the goal of all communities. 

 

If this were an agreeable plan, GCCS should be promoting it to the voters long before the state mandates clarity.  But Dr. Melin said numerous times that the public "may not like it, but they won't hate it." 

 

He's a slick salesman, I'm just not in the market to buy snake oil. 


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Posted 11 February 2015 - 09:46 PM

Sadly the school board member that represents the 2 schools discussed tonight was absent. She had to have an idea what was on the superintendents agenda, she gets a weekly update.  As a tax payer and former school board member I expected that she could and should have joined the superintendent for this very important discussion concerning her district. " Not a quitter" she said. Mrs. Perkins, you wanted the job, and you owe the people more than they got this evening. Thankfully Councilman Matt Owen's cared enough to hear first hand what Dr. Melin had to say and can look into the city's role (if any) in keeping our neighborhood schools open.

 

Becka Christensen   


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Posted 11 February 2015 - 10:56 PM

The people of Clark County CANNOT afford to pay any more in taxes!    None.   I am sure they have been planning their strategy behind closed doors for months now but I think they underestimate the people of Clark County.   NO REFERENDUM.   NO INCREASED TAXES.   If Greater Clark can spend $3.2 million on a radio station, they sure don't need to come to the taxpayers for millions for new schools.   

 

The Kovert Hawkins study should have been released a long time ago to the public.   It has been kept under lock and key for a reason -- and that reason is to plan their strategy to market it to the unknowing public.   They have hired (or are hiring) a market specialist who has had success in getting referendums passed --- in other words, he knows how to persuade people to vote yes whether their plan is needed or not.  The Board and Melin will not take ownership of the plan --- instead, they will say that they are following the recommendations of the KH study.   They will use the KH study as the fall guy --- certainly the Board and Melin aren't the ones who would ever consider closing neighborhood schools or combining schools --- they just have to follow what the KH study says!

 

I remember attending a Board meeting a few months after Melin was hired --- it was held at NW elementary school.  At that time, the new CFO alluded to a referendum.  Melin assured people that no referendum was being planned ------ but, lo and behold, that is what is coming!   This has been in the works for a long time.   I hope the people of Clark County wake up and say NO to a referendum.   


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Posted 11 February 2015 - 11:13 PM

Melin did speak about a marketing specialist tonight.  Said that he got 9 of 10 referendums passed.  So that's where  taxpayers, are . . . the corner of Marketing & Bigger Better Schools.  Don't ask about the particulars, we're still working that plan.  Check back in JUNE!  Then we can tell you what we didn't want to tell you, but only because we legally have to tell you to get on the November election for ADDED TAXES.  But it's all about the kids . . . Right?


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Posted 12 February 2015 - 07:47 AM

Sadly the school board member that represents the 2 schools discussed tonight was absent. She had to have an idea what was on the superintendents agenda, she gets a weekly update.  As a tax payer and former school board member I expected that she could and should have joined the superintendent for this very important discussion concerning her district. " Not a quitter" she said. Mrs. Perkins, you wanted the job, and you owe the people more than they got this evening. Thankfully Councilman Matt Owen's cared enough to hear first hand what Dr. Melin had to say and can look into the city's role (if any) in keeping our neighborhood schools open.

 

Becka Christensen   

can't remember when i've been more disgusted. this perkins lady is a piece of work.


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#52 Savile Row

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Posted 12 February 2015 - 08:29 AM

Your school is next to be closed!
 
Be alert!
 
The next GCCS's scam is on the way!
Up to NINE new, really expensive schools!
 
The cost of the next schools scam
will be astronomical.
 
There will several "slick marketing justifications":
 
1.) It is "for the children".,
2.) Consolidation is better
     for you. It will save you money. (HA! It never does!)

     Just trust us because we are the EDUCATIONAL ELITES!
3.) The schools need immediate repairs
     and the repairs are too costly.,
4.) The buildings are old.,
5.) Utilities will be less!,
6.) We can't have a "glitzy building gap".,
7.) It will be better and allow more additional space for indoor soccer!,
8.) The "community" will have access to community usage rooms.,
9.) Neighborhood schools are verboten.,
10.New Albany and Sellersburg are doing it.
so we HAVE to show them up !


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Posted 12 February 2015 - 08:36 AM

i've got a pitchfork!


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Posted 12 February 2015 - 08:39 AM

Does anyone remember when the ENTIRE

Riverside Elementary School

was demolished for several PHONY reasons

and then entirely rebuilt

at great expense.

How much did that bond issue alone cost the taxpayers ?

 

Least we forget,

Riverside had....horrors... some cracks in the concrete

and ...gasp the Evil bugaboo of....MOLD !

Quick, run out of the building!

 

 

GET READY FOR PHONY EXCUSES both  relating to the "condition of the buildings"

and the dern, pesky mold thing.

 

Mold remediation is not difficult.

It is often utilized by powerful special interests

as a justification

to scare the masses.

Even  if it is  a real temporariry problem,.

it will be  used as a justification for this scam.

Remember there are 2,000 types of naturally occurring mold

and only are ten (10)

are even remotely dangerous to humans.

Those are very rare

and are very easy to quickly  mediate.


Edited by Savile Row, 12 February 2015 - 08:42 AM.


#55 IntegrityMatters

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Posted 12 February 2015 - 08:55 AM

http://indianapublic...sdays-election/

 

 

It will definitely be a slick marketing campaign.   One of the ways they will do this is to keep the public uninformed for as long as possible --- they won't release the Kovert Hawkins report until the last minute (June) -- then there will be a media blitz to tell people how "poor" the schools are and how much this is needed.    They will hire someone to be their spokesperson because I believe by law that the admin and Board cannot be the ones promoting this.

 

Vote NO to any referendum!!



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Posted 12 February 2015 - 09:01 AM

http://www.in.gov/dlgf/8789.htm

 

NOTE:   Property taxes that are approved by voters in a referendum are NOT subject to the property tax caps.  Therefore, any successful referendum may result in a property tax bill that exceeds the caps.

 

Don't be fooled into thinking that your property tax bill won't be affected due to the caps --- it will.


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Posted 12 February 2015 - 09:04 AM

Alert
THE SNEAKY PROCESS IS ABOUT TO BEGIN
 
It has been said that

the neighborhood schools,
are detested by and often targeted
by the "consolidation elitist crowd".
 
There is a theory that some educational elites/big out of town school contractor "specialists"
can often work hand in hand
in these spending floods.
 
Learning the A, B, C's of this manipulation process:

A, B, C.

 

A.The elitist education Think Tanks come up with these
school "ideas".
 
B.Then these  "on-so-smart-and-oh-so-good-for-you"
goals and concepts
are provided to the Eager Media.
The Eager Media

then regurgitates

the propaganda  to the easily manipulated public.
 
C.The bureaucrats
in the government education combine
in Washington, DC, come up with
the really cool, specious " justifications'
why these new schools will be better
via the  callous cry that it is  "For the Children".
 How dare anyone be against the children!
Ya can't be against that can ya?
 
 
This proven crafty manipulation method is utilized all over America every year.
 
 
It is a ruse.


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#58 IntegrityMatters

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Posted 12 February 2015 - 09:10 AM

http://www.in.gov/dl...ted_Schools.pdf

 

 

http://www.in.gov/dl...Corporation.pdf

 

 

Information on New Albany's referendum for the May 2015 ballot --- raises property taxes by $.2004 per $100 of assessed valuation.



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Posted 12 February 2015 - 09:18 AM

Closing neighborhood schools
seriously harms
the quality of life in a local neighborhood area.

It guts the stability of a neighborhood
and often has been shown to be a big factor
in the increase in crime.
Housing also often is negatively impacted.

Neighborhoods that are "stable or improving"
often go into a DECLINING status.
 

.


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Posted 12 February 2015 - 09:21 AM

FALLBACK Scam is ready by the PR specialists
The scam that is often utilized:

"Well, ok.....rather than close eight this time,
we will  only close four. Or two."

 

Don't let this "fall back PR ruse"

be executed
upon the neighborhood school system
in the GCCS attendance district.

 

The growth may well be tremendous with the potential improvements coming to Clark County.

Don't let that important growth and increased prosperity

be used as a cover

to  destroy the  neighborhood  school  system.

 

Closing  schools harms the quality of life

in these areas.

 

The neighborhood associations,

the elected officials  and candidates,

need to be contacted.

The PTA's/ PTO's

for EACH of the schools in GCCS's system

need to begin to organized  a.s.a.p.

to stop this destruction.

It is NOT "For the Children"!

 

The effort must be organized immediately

by concerned and motivated persons.

 

The PR campaign organized by GCCS

system will be slick and carefully orchestrated to manipulate public opinion.


Edited by Savile Row, 12 February 2015 - 09:55 AM.

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