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#21 Pesty Version 2

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Posted 01 June 2014 - 07:28 PM

Am I the only one who sees the possibility the reason the guy was captured in the first place and the mystery around where he was when captured is 

that he was a spy.  ...a "disgruntled grunt' (hence the emails...-just cover-)  who turned on his own....then gets caught by the Taliban as a double?  Geesh.  

 

Or maybe I just read too many spy novels. 

 

But,  dayum.... maybe just go for the OG solution.  HANG 'EM HIGH!  (including YOU Donna)



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Posted 01 June 2014 - 07:33 PM

Nope, now that you mention it - that would make sense too Pesty.  

 

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Posted 01 June 2014 - 07:43 PM

I would feel horrible over any catastrophic death tolls.  I will not relinquish my child to save the US on some purported, future attack.  This man wasn't dead, he was imprisoned by a hostile group.  Would you surrender your child, husband, brother, to endless years of potential torture for the "greater good?"
 
My answer is a resounding, "NO!"
 
Use today's technology to offset any future attacks, use negotiations to free those soldiers that have fallen into the hands of terrorist.  If those attacks occur, it will NOT be because my husband, child or loved one was freed previously through negotiations.  It will be the dismal failure of those who are entrusted to keep America safe.


Donna, this man WAS a soldier AND a Sergeant. He was well trained and took an oath to follow orders AND to lead. He walked off and into the hands of the enemy of HIS OWN ACCORD. He violated his oath and clearly condemned America. Allowing soldiers to walk off and desert because they don't like some military decision would destroy our military. In most previous wars he would have faced a firing squad. That was an important factor in making America's fighting men and women the best on earth. If you want to be an activist, buy yourself a sign or start a blog, don't join the military. That's puts us all at risk.
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#24 Oldgoat

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Posted 01 June 2014 - 07:45 PM

This is purported to be a tweet from one of Bergdahl's fellow soldiers. If this is accurate, he should be in prison.



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I WAS THERE. I'm sick of all the lies. Here is the TRUTH, from someone on the ground. We were at OP Mest, Paktika Province, Afghanistan. It was a small outpost where B Co 1-501st INF (Airbone) ran operations out of, just an Infantry platoon and ANA counterparts there. The place was an Afghan graveyard. Bergdahl had been acting a little strange, telling people he wanted to "walk the earth" and kept a little journal talking about how he was meant for better things. No one thought anything about it. He was a little “out there”. Next morning he's gone. We search everywhere, and can't find him. He left his weapon, his kit, and other sensitive items. He only took some water, a compass and a knife. We find some afghan kids shortly after who saw an american walking north asking about where the taliban are. We get hits on our voice intercepter that Taliban has him, and we were close. We come to realize that the kid deserted his post, snuck out of camp and sought out Taliban… to join them. We were in a defensive position at OP Mest, where your focus is to keep people out. He knew where the blind spots were to slip out and that's what he did. It was supposed to be a 4-day mission but turned into several months of active searching. Everyone was spun up to find this guy. News outlets all over the country were putting out false information. IT WAS HARD TO SEE, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE KNEW THE TRUTH ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED AND WE LOST GOOD MEN TRYING TO FIND HIM. PFC MATTHEW MICHAEL MARTINEK, STAFF SGT. KURT ROBERT CURTISS, SSG CLAYTON BOWEN, PFC MORRIS WALKER, SSG MICHAEL MURPHREY, 2LT DARRYN ANDREWS, WERE ALL KIA FROM OUR UNIT WHO DIED LOOKING FOR BERGDAHL. MANY OTHERS FROM VARIOUS UNITS WERE WOUNDED OR KILLED WHILE ACTIVELY LOOKING FOR BERGDAHL. FIGHTING Increased. IEDs and enemy ambushes increased. The Taliban knew that we were looking for him in high numbers and our movements were predictable. Because of Bergdahl, more men were out in danger, and more attacks on friendly camps and positions were conducted while we were out looking for him. His actions impacted the region more than anyone wants to admit. There is also no way to know what he told the Taliban: Our movements, locations, tactics, weak points on vehicles and other things for the enemy to exploit are just a few possibilities. The Government knows full well that he deserted. It looks bad and is a good propaganda piece for the Taliban. They refuse to acknowledge it. Hell they even promoted him to Sergeant which makes me sick. I feel for his family who only want their son/brother back. They don’t know the truth, or refuse to acknowledge it as well. What he did affected his family and his whole town back home, who don’t know the truth. EITHER WAY WHAT MATTERS IS THAT GOOD MEN DIED BECAUSE OF HIM. He has been lying on all those Taliban videos about everything since his “capture”. If he ever returns, he should be tried under the UCMJ for being a deserter and judged for what he did. Bergdahl is not a hero, he is not a soldier or an Infantryman. He failed his brothers. Now, sons and daughters are growing up without their fathers who died for him and he will have to face that truth someday.

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Posted 01 June 2014 - 08:10 PM

The above account does seem to check out based on the dates of deaths from the soldiers listed.

 

http://en.wikipedia....i/Bowe_Bergdahl

During his unit's normal deployment rotation to Afghanistan, he went missing on June 30, 2009, near the town of Yahya Kheyl in the Paktika Province.

Clayton Bowen died in Dila Afghanistan Aug 18, 2009 http://projects.mili...p-bowen/4245887

Morris died in Dila Afghanistan Aug 18, 2009 http://projects.mili...-walker/4245889

Kurt died near Sar Howzeh Aug 26, 2009 http://projects.mili...curtiss/4260307

Darryn died in Yahya Kheyl Paktika district Sept 4, 2009 http://projects.mili...andrews/4266702

Michael died in Sharana Paktika Afghanistan Sept 6, 2009 http://projects.mili...urphrey/4268869

Matthew died in Paktika Afghanistan Sept 11, 2009 http://projects.mili...artinek/4279471

 

Districts in Paktika:

http://en.wikipedia....vince#Districts

 

All of the 6 named died in Paktika province which is where Bowe went missing from on June 30, 2009.

That said, it doesn't confirm the rest of what the soldier says (about him deserting).  That part can only be confirmed by the government.


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#26 Donna

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Posted 01 June 2014 - 08:27 PM

Pretty sure that Oldgoat meant to quote my post #18.  But my dang "quote" button doesn't work, so what the heck!

 

And, I don't have a clue as to why Pesty said, "HANG 'EM HIGH! (Including YOU Donna!)"



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Posted 01 June 2014 - 09:02 PM

Pretty sure that Oldgoat meant to quote my post #18.  But my dang "quote" button doesn't work, so what the heck!

 

And, I don't have a clue as to why Pesty said, "HANG 'EM HIGH! (Including YOU Donna!)"

 

You mentioned that under OG's standards you would be found guilty too. 



#28 Donna

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Posted 01 June 2014 - 09:19 PM

Yeah, I did!  Just didn't suspect that other Chatters were willing to hang ME high!  LOL!



#29 Jeff all my Life

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Posted 01 June 2014 - 09:38 PM

The US should never negotiate with terrorists. Period.
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#30 Oldgoat

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Posted 01 June 2014 - 09:41 PM

You mentioned that under OG's standards you would be found guilty too.


I doubt that Donna ever stood before our flag with her hand raised and swore an oath to defend it!

#31 Tina

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Posted 01 June 2014 - 10:02 PM

The US should never negotiate with terrorists. Period.

Man, is this the first time we've ever agreed?  :tongue:

 

But seriously, knowing this is the stance our country has always taken - this is why I said I would never demand it to be changed for my child.  I know if they go into the military or in some service to our country abroad, it is with a risk.



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Posted 01 June 2014 - 10:05 PM

No, but I've stood before our flag with my hand over my heart and pledged allegiance.  You just can't have my children for fodder to the US war machine.


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Posted 01 June 2014 - 10:41 PM

Donna, would you have taken the same position on Dec. 8, 1941?

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 05:37 AM

Very big difference there, Cityboy.  In 1941, the war action was brought here to the US. 


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#35 Oldgoat

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 06:02 AM

No, but I've stood before our flag with my hand over my heart and pledged allegiance.  You just can't have my children for fodder to the US war machine.

It's an "All volunteer military"  Donna!  If these people were drafted, I could see your point but they volunteered knowing full well what was involved and what was expected.


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Posted 02 June 2014 - 06:05 AM

Bergdahl's fellow soldiers call him a traitor!

 

http://www.cnn.com/2...hero/index.html



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Posted 02 June 2014 - 06:46 AM

Bergdahl's fellow soldiers call him a traitor!

 

http://www.cnn.com/2...hero/index.html

 

Interesting.  From that article:

 

Many of Bergdahl's fellow troops -- from the seven or so who knew him best in his squad, to the larger group that comprised the 1st Battalion, 501st Infantry Regiment, 4th Brigade Combat Team, 25th Infantry Division -- told CNN that they signed nondisclosure agreements agreeing to never share any information about Bergdahl's disappearance and the efforts to recapture him. Some were willing to dismiss that document in hopes that the truth would come out about a soldier who they now fear is being hailed as a hero, while the men who lost their lives looking for him are ignored.

 

 

Thank goodness they are willing to risk their own backsides to make sure the truth was not concealed.

 

 

Former Pfc. Jose Baggett, 27, of Chicago, was also in Blackfoot Company, and said he was close to two men "killed because of his (Bergdahl's) actions."

"He walked off," Baggett told CNN. "He left his guard post. Nobody knows if he defected or he's a traitor or he was kidnapped. What I do know is he was there to protect us and instead he decided to defer from America and go and do his own thing. I don't know why he decided to do that, but we spend so much of our resources and some of those resources were soldiers' lives."

Two mortarmen -- Pvt. Aaron Fairbairn and Pfc. Justin Casillas -- were killed in a July 4, 2009, attack.

"It was unbelievable," the soldier said. "All because of the selfish act of one person. The amount of animosity (toward him) is nothing like you've ever seen before."

That Bergdahl was freed in an exchange for five detainees at Guantanamo Bay is a further source of consternation.

"I don't understand why we're trading prisoners at Gitmo for somebody who deserted during a time of war, which is an act of treason," Vierkant said.

 

 

Certainly seems like more than one has ignored their non-disclosure document.  I would say that lends a lot of credibility to their side of the story.  

The irony here is that when Obama won in Nov 2008, everyone thought he was anti-war.  Perhaps Bowe felt a little discouraged by that date he walked in June 2009 when no draw downs had taken place and nothing had really changed.


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Posted 02 June 2014 - 07:25 AM

It's a shame that this deserter's actions have already cost us American lives... I hope that he faces the court martial that he deserves... 

 

Obama's actions will certainly cost us more lives... Not to mention the illegal end run around congress. Which makes me wonder who was in on this decision? Michelle and Valarie? I'm having a difficult time believing that our military leaders thought this to be a good idea...


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Posted 02 June 2014 - 07:44 AM

Old Ronnie Reagan gave Iran 1500 surface-to-air missiles in return for the hostages way back when... He negotiated with the captors then. It's not a secret.

These 5 guys returned to Qatar... if they return to terrorism, will be back in our sights again one day. Considering that we wouldn't kill them while in Guantanamo, perhaps one day we'll have another chance.

 

The not telling Congress ahead of time...  Certain members of Congress really have proven to not be trustworthy with classified information.  Darrell Issa for one.


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Posted 02 June 2014 - 08:21 AM

It's a shame that this deserter's actions have already cost us American lives... I hope that he faces the court martial that he deserves... 

 

Obama's actions will certainly cost us more lives... Not to mention the illegal end run around congress. Which makes me wonder who was in on this decision? Michelle and Valarie? I'm having a difficult time believing that our military leaders thought this to be a good idea...

 

 

I'd hope we figure out what happened... PTSD could be a factor in whatever he went through when he walked away.  Whatever the reason, I'm glad he is back and can get some help.  Apparently he was near death from what I've read.


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