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#1 grayarea

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Posted 14 August 2013 - 08:23 AM

I realize I might be opening a can of worms here (where's the emoticon for that?).

But, I was amazed to see that Floyd County is having to borrow $650K to pay for the Camm trial...again. What I found equally amazing was that no blame was spread amongst their prosecutor's errors in causing to decisions to be overturned and having him tried again, and again. It would seem that one of two things should occur.

1) If the prosecutor is found to have created grave error in his prosecution (as with the first two trials) could the county have purchased an insurance policy akin to an attorney's malpractice insurance to cover costs of second or third trials. 2) When the prosecutor's errors result in draining of the county's finances where taxpayers foot the bill for the errors of these "professionals" why are they being re-elected?

Just a couple of thoughts...
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Posted 14 August 2013 - 08:34 AM

I've always felt Camm was involved in the murders in some way, but am at the point where I think the prosecutors should let it go. Camm has done time, not sure how many years total, and was released due to the trials being thrown out on appeal based on faulty prosecution. Enough is enough. Maybe he's guilty and walks free after this, just like Mel Ignatow did. Or maybe the next trial will see the prosecutor do everything right with the evidence he has but the jury finds Camm not guilty. Then what? He sues Floyd County for false inprisonment? The county has borrowed money to try him yet again for nothing?

Time to let it go...

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Posted 14 August 2013 - 08:41 AM

I believe Camm is innocent. If the verdicts were overturned in both cases why did he remain in prison?
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#4 Ray Lawrence Parker

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Posted 14 August 2013 - 08:49 AM

He has yet to receive a fair trial. I hope that he finally gets one. The prior two trials involved different prosecutors and different judges, and each trial involved significant errors resulting in reversal. Whether he's found guilty or not this time, I hope that the trial is finally conducted in a proper manner.

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Posted 14 August 2013 - 08:56 AM

I'm with Snowman. I believe he is innocent.

It's time this man is freed!

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Posted 14 August 2013 - 09:01 AM

I believe he was involved but considering the evidence I could never have voted guilty because there was a shred of doubt.

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Posted 14 August 2013 - 09:32 AM

how someone could leave a basketball game, drive home and do all that was done, and then drive back and none of the other players notice he was gone... just beyond comprehension. for me at least.
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Posted 14 August 2013 - 09:48 AM

I have followed the Camm trials very closely for nearly a decade. The man has been in prison for 13 years. He is currently being held without bond on the charge of murder. The last conviction was overturned in 2009, and it has taken this long to get rid of the prosecutor that signed a deal to write a book, while deciding if he was going to try Camm a second time. By the way Floyd County paid over $27,000 in personal legal fees for Keith Henderson. Writing a book was not in the course of doing his job. It was a private deal where only he profited, yet the county used taxpayer money to pay his private attorneys. I do not live in Floyd, but I diddly-dang sure went to the council meeting and stood up against something I believe is absolutely wrong. I could have saved them $500,000 right off the top. IF Stan would have stayed off of the crime scene and allowed the ISP to test the evidence.

Like I said I have spent years going through the evidence that was used against Camm, I have read court transcripts, matched transcripts to the days news reports, spoken with witnesses, family, friends, and even people that Stan forced to testify against David in the first trial. I am appalled the Stan Faith failed so miserably in doing a crime scene investigation. He lost a bloody shower curtain, a used condom and Kim's broken bloody fingernail. He could not have done a worse job of investigating this if he had tried to frame the wrong man. Which brings me to a point that Stan Faith claims his relationship with the Boney's was merely as acquaintances, yet, I am told he went to Boney's wedding, brought him home from prison 3 months prior to him murdering the Camm's. Got his mother a job at Horseshoe casino. And went to Bloomington to appear in court just prior to Boney's arrest here, to defend him on charges that involved robbing and kidnapping 3 college students.

I hope to see the day, that David Camm sues the State of Indiana for the gross negligence of the prosecutors in this case. It is very hard to hold prosecutors accountable though, because they write their own rules. All they have to do is say oops, and they receive no disciplinary action what so ever. If you want a good place to start in learning the facts in this case go to http://justicefordavidcamm.com/. I have spent years verifying every word that has been said by the site. I also had the pleasure of meeting the producer for 48 hours at the DNA hearing last week and she also believes in Dave's innocence and has delved much deeper into the blood spatter so called expert that the state uses, than I can.

The conspiracy charge against David was dropped due to not one eye witness could ever place them together. David Camm was playing basketball and 11 witnesses will still testify to that.
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Posted 14 August 2013 - 10:22 AM

how someone could leave a basketball game, drive home and do all that was done, and then drive back and none of the other players notice he was gone... just beyond comprehension. for me at least.


To this day Snowman and Sikofit, this lone fact sticks with me. How this cannot raise reasonable doubt is beyond me.
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Posted 14 August 2013 - 11:01 AM

he never left the ballgame. He arrived at the gym at 7 pm when the alarms were turned off. He played nearly all of the first hour. The time of death is narrowed down to between 7:19 and 7:35 pm. Sam Lockhart showed up at @710 and a 5 on 5 game was under way. David was playing. David sat out one and only one game. It has nothing to do with evidence and even the jurors admitted that the molestation statement is what fried him. There was absolutely zero signs of molestation of Jill. It was blunt force trauma such as being punched on both her chest and between her legs. We now know that Boney is the one that punched her in the chest from the recent DNA discovery.

If people want to believe Boney, and assuming David was able to slip away while playing basketball, we are to believe that David made it home by 7:25 when neighbors witnessed Kim turn onto Lockhart Rd. David and Boney are standing in his driveway, Kim pulls into the garage, David enters the garage and shoots all three of them turns the gun on Boney and it jams. David runs into the house. Instead of running Boney enters the garage, leans into the Bronco to look in on Brad, leaving his hand print on the driver door. He walks around the Bronco trips over Kim's shoes and picks them up and places them on top of the vehicle. (that was Boney's testimony) With the new DNA evidence we must also assume while David is still in the house looking for another weapon, Boney punches Jill between the legs and in the chest. Removes Kim's pants and pulls down her panties before barely escaping with his life. David then leaves and goes back to playing basketball knowing that a man that just witnessed him murder his family is on the loose. Sure, that is believable. Want to pet my unicorn?
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Posted 14 August 2013 - 01:04 PM

Sure sounds like there's more than a reasonable doubt to me.
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Posted 19 August 2013 - 09:25 AM

http://www.courier-j...one-County-Ind-

But criminal law experts predict that when Camm’s third trial ends this fall, he will walk away a free man.

That’s because, they predict, prosecutors will struggle to explain a motive — after their previous efforts were thrown out in appeals of his previous convictions — and why Camm, a former Indiana state trooper, should be convicted even though another man, Charles Boney, is in prison for the murders.


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Posted 19 August 2013 - 10:15 AM

Like I said, the prosecutors should have just let it go after having two convictions overturned....
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Posted 19 August 2013 - 02:24 PM

If I were a Floyd Co resident I actually would have been protesting about it.

Tis better that a guilty man go free than an innocent man rot in prison.


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Posted 19 August 2013 - 03:05 PM

The one thing the state did do was succeed in making Camm look like a scumbag. Which I believe he was, and hopefully this experience in prison has humbled him.

However, I sympathize with him for the loss of his family and for his ordeal, and believe him to be innocent of murder.

Edited by JeffResident, 19 August 2013 - 03:05 PM.

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Posted 22 August 2013 - 08:39 PM

The judge had to consider a mistrial already on opening remarks!

The defense wasn't supposed to bring up Boney's foot fetish or past criminal history and he brought up the foot fetish in the opening remarks. Judge had to go to chambers and mull over a mistrial on the first day. He ruled they will proceed, but I'm guessing this will give the prosecution a chance to appeal a not guilty verdict.

Good grief.

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Posted 22 August 2013 - 08:40 PM

And I want to say I am thankful for the sane people here on the chatter. The vitriol on some of the local news Facebook pages is awful. You'd think we still had the guillotine and just need the king to say "off with his head!"

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Posted 22 August 2013 - 09:33 PM

He ruled they will proceed, but I'm guessing this will give the prosecution a chance to appeal a not guilty verdict.

Good grief.


The State cannot appeal a not guilty verdict.

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Posted 22 August 2013 - 09:53 PM

The State cannot appeal a not guilty verdict.


Thanks Pesty!

Here's today's events in the courtroom
http://www.wdrb.com/...ening-arguments

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Posted 22 August 2013 - 09:56 PM

The judge had to consider a mistrial already on opening remarks!

The defense wasn't supposed to bring up Boney's foot fetish or past criminal history and he brought up the foot fetish in the opening remarks. Judge had to go to chambers and mull over a mistrial on the first day. He ruled they will proceed, but I'm guessing this will give the prosecution a chance to appeal a not guilty verdict.

Good grief.


i just barely heard the news but they seemed to say that nothing in the previous trials can be brought up in this one... how is that even possible? i'm not getting it i guess.




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