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#81 Tina

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Posted 21 June 2012 - 05:10 PM

Tina I have read that Holder gave them more than 7000 pages of documents etc. and testified about this before Congress about 9 times.

And the documents he gave conflicted with his testimony more than once. So much so that the White House has had to retract some of his testimony.

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 05:57 AM

What about all the soldiers killed in Iraq. Remember Bush's claim of WMD's. Same type of situation only more lives lost in iraq


Lets dont forget GW claimed executive privilege 6 times in 8 years.
Obama has indicated he might invoke it this time. That would be his first in 3 1/2 years as president. There will never be total transparency in Federal Government. There will always be varying degrees of it. Some administrations will be worse than others.
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Posted 22 June 2012 - 06:13 AM

And the documents he gave conflicted with his testimony more than once. So much so that the White House has had to retract some of his testimony.

and the conflicting statements... omg, that's SOME conflict. it's ridiculous!

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 02:17 PM

oops! I thought democrats loved Jon Stewart...


Apparently Jon Stewart doesn't buy the crap Obama and Holder are dishing either!

Bad news: Jon Stewart not exactly buying the executive-privilege claim

The second video is some seriously hilarious stuff!

Edited by Tina, 22 June 2012 - 02:24 PM.


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Posted 22 June 2012 - 02:42 PM

oops! I thought democrats loved Jon Stewart...


Apparently Jon Stewart doesn't buy the crap Obama and Holder are dishing either!

Believe it or not, not everybody toes a party line. Some of us form our opinions and make our choices based on what is right and what is wrong...NOT what is Democrat and what is Republican.

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 07:44 AM

Interesting to note that if there is a claim of executive privilege, that means there was executive involvement. hmmmm.

Edited by Smokey, 23 June 2012 - 01:39 PM.


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Posted 23 June 2012 - 09:24 AM

oops! I thought democrats loved Jon Stewart...


Apparently Jon Stewart doesn't buy the crap Obama and Holder are dishing either!

Bad news: Jon Stewart not exactly buying the executive-privilege claim

The second video is some seriously hilarious stuff!

I love Jon Stewart and this comedic episode is spot on. That is exactly what happened... There was confusion over the names of these operations, which were ongoing from previous administration, and restarted by the ATF in 2009... If you've listened to any of the testimony from the 9 times Holder has appeared before Congress, you would know that. I don't see this as a damning piece at all.

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 07:21 AM

What has always disturbed me about the large law enforcement and security agencies ( FBI, CIA, ATF.. etc ) has been the degree they have have been allowed to operate, for years, with limited Government oversight and control.
If you look back at the FBI curing the later half of the Hoover years...
Many of the operations that have come to light about the operations of the CIA.. From Eisenhower, to present....
And now the ATF..

It really is evident that these agencies have been, (to varying degrees). Been operating clandestinely from not just the "bad guys"..

But most everyone in the upper tiers of the Federal government.
I mean I understand the need for secrecy and covert ops. And keeping knowledge of their actions limited to a very select few.
But at times you really have to wonder if the White House or the Directors and Committees over seeing them... Have any real idea what all these guys are up to, most of the time.
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Posted 02 July 2012 - 12:41 PM

The latest word seems to be that Holder and company are seeking some form of compromise regarding the last 100,000 pages of documents they are withholding

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 02:26 PM

The latest word seems to be that Holder and company are seeking some form of compromise regarding the last 100,000 pages of documents they are withholding


If that was the case... it must have fallen apart. Looks like the lawsuit has been filed.


GOP sues to force Obama compliance on Fast and Furious

http://www.washingto...st-and-furious/
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Posted 19 September 2012 - 04:30 PM

http://www.washingto...5f97_story.html

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 04:45 PM

LOL!

The Justice Department’s internal watchdog on Wednesday faulted the agency for misguided strategies, errors in judgment and management failures during a bungled gun-trafficking probe in Arizona that disregarded public safety and resulted in hundreds of weapons turning up at crime scenes in the U.S. and Mexico.

A former head of the department’s Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and a deputy assistant attorney general in Justice’s criminal division in Washington left the department upon the report’s release — the first by retirement, the second by resignation.

In the 471-page report, Inspector General Michael Horowitz referred more than a dozen people for possible department disciplinary action for their roles in Operation Fast and Furious and a separate, earlier probe known as Wide Receiver, undertaken during the George W. Bush administration. A former acting deputy attorney general and the head of the criminal division were criticized for actions and omissions related to operations subsequent to and preceding Fast and Furious.

The report did not criticize Attorney General Eric Holder, but said lower-level officials should have briefed him about the investigation much earlier.


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I guess we should expect nothing less from government. It's the same in every layer of bureaucracy...from the federal government all the way down to school boards!

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 09:29 AM

Fast & Furious... the gun running op that keeps on giving... I still can't believe that Holder has not been fired. He must know where all of the bodies are buried...

WASHINGTON—A high-powered rifle lost in the ATF’s Fast and Furious controversy was used to kill a Mexican police chief in the state of Jalisco earlier this year, according to internal Department of Justice records, suggesting that weapons from the failed gun-tracking operation have now made it into the hands of violent drug cartels deep inside Mexico.

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-76571135/

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Posted 14 August 2013 - 01:35 PM

Eric Holder and the DOJ's criminal acts... keep going and going and going and...

More Fast and Furious guns surface at crimes in Mexico
By SHARYL ATTKISSON

Three more weapons from Fast and Furious have turned up at crime scenes in Mexico, CBS News has learned, as the toll from the controversial federal operation grows.

According to Justice Department tracing documents obtained by CBS News, all three guns are WASR-10 762-caliber Romanian rifles. Two were purchased by Fast and Furious suspect Uriel Patino in May and July of 2010. Sean Steward, who was convicted on gun charges in July 2012, purchased a third. The rifles were traced yesterday to the Lone Wolf gun shop in Glendale, Ariz.

During Fast and Furious and similar operations, federal agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) encouraged the Lone Wolf and other gun stores to sell massive amounts of weapons to questionable purchasers who allegedly trafficked them Mexican drug cartels.

"An estimated 1,400 guns are still on the street or unaccounted for."

http://www.cbsnews.c...imes-in-mexico/

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 07:17 AM

I hope that Dodson wins this battle and this book get's published... he has 1st amendment protection and the American people should be able to view what he wants to share about the criminal acts of our government. I believe there is still a lot more that we don't know...

ATF tries to block whistleblowing agent’s Fast and Furious book
1st Amendment battle over ‘gun-walking’ expose


The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is blocking the main whistleblower in the Fast and Furious case from publishing a book, claiming his retelling of the Mexico “gun-walking” scandal will hurt morale inside the embattled law enforcement agency, according to documents obtained by The Washington Times.

http://www.washingto...s-fast-and-fur/

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Posted 21 January 2016 - 03:30 PM

Federal judge rejects Obama's claim of executive privilege.

 

http://www.politico....-records-217970

 

A federal judge has rejected President Barack Obama's assertion of executive privilege to deny Congress access to records pertaining to Operation Fast and Furious, a gunrunning probe that allegedly allowed thousands of weapons to flow across the border into Mexico.


 
 
Fast and Furious rifle found at El Chapo hideout.
 
A .50-caliber rifle recovered from the hideout of drug lord Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán is reportedly one of the firearms lost by the U.S. government's gun-smuggling operation Fast and Furious.

Edited by woo, 21 January 2016 - 03:30 PM.

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Posted 27 January 2016 - 02:09 PM

Can't believe that the feds all get to walk on this one... it's a damn shame... 

 

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Brian A. Terry
 
United States Department of Homeland Security - Customs and Border Protection - United States Border Patrol, U.S. Government
 
End of Watch: Wednesday, December 15, 2010





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